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Post by ArgyleNeil on Nov 20, 2007 10:04:11 GMT -1
It is the responsibility of the other political parties to listen to the agenda of the right wing parties, Look at why they are getting support and build a policy structure around sound thought and judgement which will address some of the key issues and win voters back into the main stream. Only by taking their voice away and winning votes can you get rid of them.
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Post by C@V on Nov 20, 2007 10:06:09 GMT -1
The British electorate is one that never swings to extremes. Never has an extreme left or right movement gained enough support to have an impact. The BNP will never succeed in Britain in the same way Communism never would.
Yes there are those who veer to the left or right but the majority have views that fall in to the middle of the political spectrum thank god!
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 10:07:46 GMT -1
It is the responsibility of the other political parties to listen to the agenda of the right wing parties, Look at why they are getting support and build a policy structure around sound thought and judgement which will address some of the key issues and win voters back into the main stream. Only by taking their voice away and winning votes can you get rid of them. I know that's the sensible response but a) I don't think it will be enough and b) I feel that fascists shouldn't be allowed to express their views with impunity - the fact they manage to circumvent laws against inciting racial hatred makes a mockery of British justice imho.
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Post by C@V on Nov 20, 2007 10:08:37 GMT -1
See this is my point they are making policies echoing the small niggles that your every day voter has with current society. A clever facist is a dangerous one, just ask the germans. Yeppo. So what would you do about the fascists? Anyone got any ideas other than my "smash them" or "ban them" You leave them to it and any sensible electorate will see that their policies are ridiculous. No one can take a campaign based on hate seriously.
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 10:09:16 GMT -1
It is the responsibility of the other political parties to listen to the agenda of the right wing parties, Look at why they are getting support and build a policy structure around sound thought and judgement which will address some of the key issues and win voters back into the main stream. Only by taking their voice away and winning votes can you get rid of them. I know that's the sensible response but a) I don't think it will be enough and b) I feel that fascists shouldn't be allowed to express their views with impunity - the fact they manage to circumvent laws against inciting racial hatred makes a mockery of British justice imho. But Jules thats really no different to them deporting all the blacks and the likes?
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Post by ArgyleNeil on Nov 20, 2007 10:09:53 GMT -1
Freedom of speech- just watch what you say
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 10:12:55 GMT -1
You leave them to it and any sensible electorate will see that their policies are ridiculous. No one can take a campaign based on hate seriously. We clearly don't have a sensible electorate - look at Barking & Dagenham, Burnley, Oldham - all places where significant numbers of people did fall for this.
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Post by ArgyleNeil on Nov 20, 2007 10:13:59 GMT -1
Yeppo. So what would you do about the fascists? Anyone got any ideas other than my "smash them" or "ban them" You leave them to it and any sensible electorate will see that their policies are ridiculous. No one can take a campaign based on hate seriously. Seriously mate it is happening.
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 10:15:07 GMT -1
Freedom of speech- just watch what you say I believe in limiting Freedom of Speech for fascists. I realise that may go against your grain, and plenty of other people on here, but I know that I'm not alone in this view.
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Post by C@V on Nov 20, 2007 10:15:20 GMT -1
You leave them to it and any sensible electorate will see that their policies are ridiculous. No one can take a campaign based on hate seriously. We clearly don't have a sensible electorate - look at Barking & Dagenham, Burnley, Oldham - all places where significant numbers of people did fall for this. Look at the bigger picture Jules! It's a tiny part of the electorate and it makes very little impact. You have to let people have a point of view other wise we might as well be living in George Orwell's imagination!
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 10:15:49 GMT -1
But Jules thats really no different to them deporting all the blacks and the likes? What are you saying?
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Post by ArgyleNeil on Nov 20, 2007 10:16:53 GMT -1
We clearly don't have a sensible electorate - look at Barking & Dagenham, Burnley, Oldham - all places where significant numbers of people did fall for this. Look at the bigger picture Jules! It's a tiny part of the electorate and it makes very little impact. You have to let people have a point of view other wise we might as well be living in George Orwell's imagination! Damn it that would mean the pigs would take over and live in the farm house....... Bacon supplies would really suffer then.
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 10:17:35 GMT -1
You leave them to it and any sensible electorate will see that their policies are ridiculous. No one can take a campaign based on hate seriously. Seriously mate it is happening. France is the prime example of that Le Pen almost got in, everyone had to swing votes to stop it. Very embarassing and I see it coming here!
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 10:18:04 GMT -1
Look at the bigger picture Jules! It's a tiny part of the electorate and it makes very little impact. You have to let people have a point of view other wise we might as well be living in George Orwell's imagination! A tiny part of the electorate, but like a cancer it can grow and spread. I'm happy to let people have any view that doesn't involve their violent hatred impacting on the lives of other peace-loving inhabitants of our country. When you cross that line, you have to take steps. Otherwise you do indeed end up living in George Orwell's imagination.
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 10:18:39 GMT -1
Look at the bigger picture Jules! It's a tiny part of the electorate and it makes very little impact. You have to let people have a point of view other wise we might as well be living in George Orwell's imagination! Damn it that would mean the pigs would take over and live in the farm house....... Bacon supplies would really suffer then. heinz and HP would go out of business
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Post by ArgyleNeil on Nov 20, 2007 10:19:38 GMT -1
Damn it that would mean the pigs would take over and live in the farm house....... Bacon supplies would really suffer then. heinz and HP would go out of business See now we are on a serious issue, and almost crossing into our "religious debate"
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 10:20:43 GMT -1
you mean Jesus turned water into sauce as well as wine ;D
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Post by ArgyleNeil on Nov 20, 2007 10:22:06 GMT -1
The parting of the red sea was also known as the splitting of the ketchup
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 10:24:13 GMT -1
The parting of the red sea was also known as the splitting of the ketchup *Wrong image enters sick mind*
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Post by C@V on Nov 20, 2007 10:25:36 GMT -1
Look at the bigger picture Jules! It's a tiny part of the electorate and it makes very little impact. You have to let people have a point of view other wise we might as well be living in George Orwell's imagination! A tiny part of the electorate, but like a cancer it can grow and spread. I'm happy to let people have any view that doesn't involve their violent hatred impacting on the lives of other peace-loving inhabitants of our country. When you cross that line, you have to take steps. Otherwise you do indeed end up living in George Orwell's imagination. But the BNP are not using violence that I've heard of and it is someone right to hate. It's a fine line. I hate the BNP yet I believe that if we are to be a fair and just society they have the right to express their views. The moment they are not allowed you create a dangerous position where the government then can decide on any and every view. You stop one expression and they can all be stopped. Mark my words the world governments are already trying to create an environment of fear from terrorism to global warming. The threat from both is slight, yet the government persists in making you feel unsafe and in effect puts many citizens in a position where they are prepared to give up parts of their liberty in order to be protected by the government. Can't you see that we are becoming less free every year that passes. ID cards, CCTV, stop & search, GPS, mobile phone positioning, email monitoring, credit checks and records...............the list goes on! God the government knows more about you than you do!
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