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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Nov 19, 2007 18:07:50 GMT -1
...is going only one way - DOWNHILL! These types of stories are common place now and make me sick: Pair 'burnt victim with lighter' Two teenagers accused of murder burnt smiling faces into their victim's face and neck with a lighter before dumping his body in a river, a court heard.
Toby Atkin, 25, was kicked, burnt and urinated on before being rolled into the River Welland at Spalding, Lincolnshire, on 17 May, a jury heard.
The pair, aged 15 and 17, have denied murder at Nottingham Crown Court.
On Monday, a third youth told the court the attack was recorded on a mobile phone by one of the accused.
The witness told the court he saw the defendants, who cannot be named because of their ages, push Mr Atkin's body into the water.
'Urinated on body'
The jury was told that the pair burnt Mr Atkin's clothes, kicked him as he lay on the ground and urinated on him.
Four marks were branded into his face with a lighter, the court heard.
Home Office pathologist Dr Dennis Bouch said he first saw four marks branded into Mr Atkin's face with a lighter during a second post mortem examination he had been asked to perform on his body.
He said: "They are unusual in that they are all a specific shape and size."
Speaking before the pathologist gave evidence, the prosecution said the marks were referred to as "smileys".
Victim 'drunk'
Dr Bouch said Mr Atkin, described in court as a binge drinker, was more than five times over the legal alcohol limit for driving.
The victim had also been taking powerful prescription painkillers, the court heard.
Dr Bouch said: "Mr Atkin may have been almost unconscious (at the time of the attack). His ability to react to being injured would have been severely restricted."
His body was recovered by police divers in the early hours of 18 May.
The trial continues. It beggars belief!  |
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Post by GeoFox on Nov 19, 2007 18:10:03 GMT -1
ooerr I live near the river Welland...saw it today in fact...not that bit though. What a despicable act. |
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Nov 19, 2007 19:49:14 GMT -1
And when these cowardly fuckers pick on the wrong bloke and get a kicking it is the bloke who gets fucked over with a custodial as the little shits go crying to the police.
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Post by Goalposts for Jumpers on Nov 19, 2007 19:54:59 GMT -1
It's a disgrace. The country's gone to the dogs. And the little fuckers that do this kind of thing want fucking shooting. They are lucky little c*nts that they don't live in a Sharia Law State like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. We should extradite them there and let the arabs do their worst.
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Nov 19, 2007 19:55:32 GMT -1
It's a disgrace. The country's gone to the dogs. And the little fuckers that do this kind of thing want fucking shooting. They are lucky little c*nts that they don't live in a Sharia Law State like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. We should extradite them there and let the arabs do their worst. Oldham? |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Nov 19, 2007 21:10:51 GMT -1
bring back hanging |
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Post by Roaster©®™ on Nov 19, 2007 22:54:31 GMT -1
Too good for them - and too quick. Need to make the perpetrators suffer.
Stone the fuckers - where the stones used are no-bigger than pebbles that fit comfortably into an average sized man's fist.
To pro-long the agony I'd designate women as the executioners!
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 7:52:56 GMT -1
I get really upset when I read things like this, it makes me sick! What on earth posses someone to do something like this, it as though kids are trying to go one better than the Bulger case.
Personally I blame the labour government for these trends in child crime with guns and the likes, to scared to take a heavy handed approach as the race card maybe played. So the white trash think 'fuck it lets do it as well'
It needs sorting and quick, deal with these gangs battons and so what if they get twated - it'll teach them not to fuck with authority!
FUCKING LABOUR PUSSIES
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Nov 20, 2007 8:03:19 GMT -1
an eye for an eye. It is the one thing i agre with in these Arab states. If these kids are found guilty hand them over to the relatives of the deceased and let them hand out the justice. IF they survive then lock them up for life.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Nov 20, 2007 8:05:28 GMT -1
I say we (the nation) just buy an island somewhere and deport the fuckers to it and leave them alone. If they wanna act like savages, let them live like savages |
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 8:08:47 GMT -1
I just don't get why you'd want to do this to someone, and what would the situation be if said 25 year old had kicked the living crap out of them. I know I would, you'd go down for manslaughter and be treated like a nonce in prison!
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 8:13:28 GMT -1
Yes, yes the only solution is to execute them!  It's sick and it's wrong, but doesn't take a lot of imagination to blame the Government, or our lack of Capital Punishment! |
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 8:21:27 GMT -1
So whats the solution Jules, because I know as a child if I knew if I'd get away with something I'd do it. This has just gone to another level mate, and it's very much the norm to 'put a cap in your ass' as a way of dealing with things.
So yes maybe slap is all they understand, and this is a problem created or allowed to fester by the government!
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 8:25:28 GMT -1
So whats the solution Jules, because I know as a child if I knew if I'd get away with something I'd do it. This has just gone to another level mate, and it's very much the norm to 'put a cap in your ass' as a way of dealing with things. So yes maybe slap is all they understand, and this is a problem created or allowed to fester by the government! So the deterrent is proper adult-length sentences, the message being "do the crime, fuck up your whole adult life." Funny though, I see double standards. You want hands-off, laissez-faire "small" Government on most things, but you want micro-management of crime? Just saying... |
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 8:29:06 GMT -1
So the deterrent is proper adult-length sentences, the message being "do the crime, fuck up your whole adult life." Funny though, I see double standards. You want hands-off, laissez-faire "small" Government on most things, but you want micro-management of crime? Just saying... Well they will be locked up for circa 10 years, longer if you ask me as they need to be sectioned. People are scared to walk the streets as a result of this behaviour, so yes it should be stamped out. For fucks sake behave like socialists, or is that to ignore and hope it'll go away now? |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Nov 20, 2007 8:30:11 GMT -1
So whats the solution Jules, because I know as a child if I knew if I'd get away with something I'd do it. This has just gone to another level mate, and it's very much the norm to 'put a cap in your ass' as a way of dealing with things. So yes maybe slap is all they understand, and this is a problem created or allowed to fester by the government! So the deterrent is proper adult-length sentences, the message being "do the crime, fuck up your whole adult life." Funny though, I see double standards. You want hands-off, laissez-faire "small" Government on most things, but you want micro-management of crime? Just saying... "If they can commit adult crimes, they should face adult sentences." Said that to a bloke at work on Friday, as it happens. I still say deportation would be preferable, though - much cheaper and avoids over-crowding our prisons  |
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 8:33:33 GMT -1
Well they will be locked up for circa 10 years, longer if you ask me as they need to be sectioned. People are scared to walk the streets as a result of this behaviour, so yes it should be stamped out. For fucks sake behave like socialists, or is that to ignore and hope it'll go away now? Problem is these kids don't even think, not sure what the hell you do about that - in terms of prevention let alone punishment. I don't know what the Socialist response to this is tbh. I regret to say it probably involves rehabilitation, which will be about as popular to you as giving them a knife and standing them in the corner of your office...!  |
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 8:35:12 GMT -1
"If they can commit adult crimes, they should face adult sentences." Said that to a bloke at work on Friday, as it happens. I still say deportation would be preferable, though - much cheaper and avoids over-crowding our prisons Yep seems fair. Cost shouldn't be a consideration. Over-crowding just makes jail less pleasant than it already (probably) is so fine. Deporting problems is also irresponsible, though it worked out pretty well in the end, if you look at the modern Australia!  |
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 8:57:25 GMT -1
Problem is these kids don't even think, not sure what the hell you do about that - in terms of prevention let alone punishment. I don't know what the Socialist response to this is tbh. I regret to say it probably involves rehabilitation, which will be about as popular to you as giving them a knife and standing them in the corner of your office...! Thats why they need a slap, and I tell you there is going to be a reaction to this sort of thing and it won't be positive. It this sort of thing that gives the BNP a platform. And thats the most adhorent thing about it all the government does not react to the cancer that is the BNP! Any other business would react to competition! I have always said we'd go the way of America and here it is in this format, scum ruling the way we live. Why should I pay taxes when this problem is not being dealt with, I for one will move abroad if it's not sorted as will most of my mates |
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 9:05:25 GMT -1
Thats why they need a slap, and I tell you there is going to be a reaction to this sort of thing and it won't be positive. It this sort of thing that gives the BNP a platform. And thats the most adhorent thing about it all the government does not react to the cancer that is the BNP! Any other business would react to competition! I have always said we'd go the way of America and here it is in this format, scum ruling the way we live. Why should I pay taxes when this problem is not being dealt with, I for one will move abroad if it's not sorted as will most of my mates Why would it give the BNP a platform? They're nothing but a bunch of thugs themselves, as you surely know! The Government is governing, while the party faithful put in ceaseless work in areas which are vulnerable to the BNP, educating and informing local people about the choice they face. You want to pay no taxes, America has low taxes I hear, what a frigging paradise that is?! Fine mate it's no great loss (apart from on a personal level) |
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