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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 9:14:45 GMT -1
Why would it give the BNP a platform? They're nothing but a bunch of thugs themselves, as you surely know! The Government is governing, while the party faithful put in ceaseless work in areas which are vulnerable to the BNP, educating and informing local people about the choice they face. You want to pay no taxes, America has low taxes I hear, what a frigging paradise that is?! Fine mate it's no great loss (apart from on a personal level) Because as you know, as with the red tops they florish on ignorance. Working class people will listen to them! Government needs to react to this issue before it really gets out of hand! Nothing to do with taxes mate, its having a safe environment in which to bring up your children. Now going abroad maybe an extreme measure, but I shouldn't have to move to the sticks to feel safe. And know that mini hurls isn't going to come home one day getting all street on me because I ask him to do his homework!
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 9:20:21 GMT -1
Because as you know, as with the red tops they florish on ignorance. Working class people will listen to them! Government needs to react to this issue before it really gets out of hand! Nothing to do with taxes mate, its having a safe environment in which to bring up your children. Now going abroad maybe an extreme measure, but I shouldn't have to move to the sticks to feel safe. And know that mini hurls isn't going to come home one day getting all street on me because I ask him to do his homework! You blame the Government, I blame the Red Tops. But if I talk about closing down hate-mongering and fear-mongering newspapers, you'll just call me a Commie again! How? If people are willing to accept fascist parties as a realistic alternative to democratic parties, I can only see civil strife ahead. You mentioned the taxes though... I know what you think on that score! Where would you be safer then? And could you realistically settle there? LOL sounds like a complex mate, little Oedipus won't murder you and run off with your woman! ;D
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 9:28:55 GMT -1
You blame the Government, I blame the Red Tops. But if I talk about closing down hate-mongering and fear-mongering newspapers, you'll just call me a Commie again! How? If people are willing to accept fascist parties as a realistic alternative to democratic parties, I can only see civil strife ahead. You mentioned the taxes though... I know what you think on that score! Where would you be safer then? And could you realistically settle there? LOL sounds like a complex mate, little Oedipus won't murder you and run off with your woman! ;D The red tops are not the ones in charge of the reforms and the like fella, furthermore they are censored! Tis my point, hence why their needs to be a reaction Indeed I think they need to be spent addressing this issue! I would simply be horrified if he spoke like that, really my worst nightmare. Still it won't be a cap, it'll be a laser when he's circa 15!
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 9:38:54 GMT -1
The red tops are not the ones in charge of the reforms and the like fella, furthermore they are censored! Tis my point, hence why their needs to be a reaction Indeed I think they need to br spent addressing this issue! I would simply be horrified if he spoke like that, really my worst nightmare. Still it won't be a cap, it'll be a laser when he's circa 15! No, they just whip up people's emotions and create problems by talking about "bogus asylum seekers" all the damn time when they mean "genuine refugees" And they aren't censored, the press complaints commission has one hand tied round its balls! Yeah... maybe the only reaction is sending riot police onto the streets of Barking and other shitholes full of BNP-supporting idiots. There's nothing you can do about people being stupid and accepting hateful rhetoric. Except gagging the BNP, but you don't want to do that, so what can I say. Wasn't the Government elected to decide for you how your taxes are spent?! Awww... hehe, he'll sneak into your bedroom and laser off your eyebrows! ;D
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Post by ArgyleNeil on Nov 20, 2007 9:43:20 GMT -1
The red tops are not the ones in charge of the reforms and the like fella, furthermore they are censored! Tis my point, hence why their needs to be a reaction Indeed I think they need to br spent addressing this issue! I would simply be horrified if he spoke like that, really my worst nightmare. Still it won't be a cap, it'll be a laser when he's circa 15! No, they just whip up people's emotions and create problems by talking about "bogus asylum seekers" all the damn time when they mean "genuine refugees" And they aren't censored, the press complaints commission has one hand tied round its balls! Yeah... maybe the only reaction is sending riot police onto the streets of Barking and other shitholes full of BNP-supporting idiots. There's nothing you can do about people being stupid and accepting hateful rhetoric. Except gagging the BNP, but you don't want to do that, so what can I say. Wasn't the Government elected to decide for you how your taxes are spent?! Awww... hehe, he'll sneak into your bedroom and laser off your eyebrows! ;D I read a fantsatic article in the times a little while back about the BNP and how they are using the problems we have had with imigration in the last few years to approach a wider audience which would never before have listened to their hatefull banter. They are trying to market themselves as a radical thinking pro independance type party with some middle classed idiot in charge steering them away from the "skinhead" image they have always had. the scary thing is you can see that there are a vast population of middle classed businessman types who are buying into this bullshit and it isnt long before the pro England rubbish extends to Hate everyone.
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 9:44:05 GMT -1
Jules we'll never agree however it's very emotive, and if you think there is no censorship - more fool you! Lots of stupid people in Britain, is that what you're saying? the only positive of the BNP is that they should make people with responsibilty stand up and think - shit we'd better react to this. The masses have had enough! He'll be a good lad, just like his father. I'm sure he'll be testing at times as I was
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 9:46:18 GMT -1
I read a fantsatic article in the times a little while back about the BNP and how they are using the problems we have had with imigration in the last few years to approach a wider audience which would never before have listened to their hatefull banter. They are trying to market themselves as a radical thinking pro independance type party with some middle classed idiot in charge steering them away from the "skinhead" image they have always had. the scary thing is you can see that there are a vast population of middle classed businessman types who are buying into this bullshit and it isnt long before the pro England rubbish extends to Hate everyone. This is my point, because the BNP are being very cute about this! Government needs to react quickly
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 9:46:20 GMT -1
I read a fantsatic article in the times a little while back about the BNP and how they are using the problems we have had with imigration in the last few years to approach a wider audience which would never before have listened to their hatefull banter. They are trying to market themselves as a radical thinking pro independance type party with some middle classed idiot in charge steering them away from the "skinhead" image they have always had. the scary thing is you can see that there are a vast population of middle classed businessman types who are buying into this bullshit and it isnt long before the pro England rubbish extends to Hate everyone. Agree with all that fella
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 9:48:58 GMT -1
I read a fantsatic article in the times a little while back about the BNP and how they are using the problems we have had with imigration in the last few years to approach a wider audience which would never before have listened to their hatefull banter. They are trying to market themselves as a radical thinking pro independance type party with some middle classed idiot in charge steering them away from the "skinhead" image they have always had. the scary thing is you can see that there are a vast population of middle classed businessman types who are buying into this bullshit and it isnt long before the pro England rubbish extends to Hate everyone. Agree with all that fella You agree with the Times ;D
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Post by C@V on Nov 20, 2007 9:50:43 GMT -1
These crimes are no worse than things that have occurred for centuries around the world. Our country is actually safer than it was in many periods of our history.
An execution is no good. In the USA the death penalty has not had an effect in reducing crime. Death row has more people than ever waiting to die.
The fact is that more murder/manslaughter etc...............call it what you will, is not premeditated and happens in a spur of the moment. So how is a death penalty supposed to affect that?
Anyway living in a nation that executes its citizens is backward! It is not right to kill people for committing crime especially as mistakes are made in convicting.
Lets face facts these crimes as horrible as they are, aren't that common otherwise we'd all know people that had been victims on a regular basis. The media like to sensationalise and that is the main reason why it feels like things are going down hill.
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Post by ArgyleNeil on Nov 20, 2007 9:51:07 GMT -1
They could pose a major threat to the back bone of the country, the amount of swing voters that could be attracted to the party could find them with seats in some of the constituencies that really cant decide between one party or another. The biggest problem is the majority of people now dont care who they vote for, there is a massive rise in the number of non voters, ignorant people are more susceptable to stupid ideas, if they listen to the we need to tighten our imigration laws and keep britain out of Europe, they will say "oooh that makes sense I will vote for this guy" not realising he is a right wing idiot with a union jack baseball bat disguised as a polititian.
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 9:51:10 GMT -1
Jules we'll never agree however it's very emotive, and if you think there is no censorship - more fool you! Lots of stupid people in Britain, is that what you're saying? the only positive of the BNP is that they should make people with responsibilty stand up and think - shit we'd better react to this. The masses have had enough! He'll be a good lad, just like his father. I'm sure he'll be testing at times as I was Yeah but I don't really understand why not The only censorship going on is - if the owner of the paper wants a certain line, that's what you write, or you look for a new job. Frankly, yes there are a lot of stupid people, it's unfortunate, I wish the education system worked too! Mate, my response to Fascism, whether in the 1930s or now - is stamp on it. I refuse to engage in their arguments, I want to see them and their views wiped from the face of the earth. But there's my low level aggression surfacing... Indeed Heh, I'd take that bet...! ;D
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 9:52:14 GMT -1
Check out Cav pouring oil on troubled waters!
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Post by ArgyleNeil on Nov 20, 2007 9:53:05 GMT -1
Actually it is worth pointing out that capital punishment, and prison labour are two of the BNP's new major policies
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 9:54:18 GMT -1
Actually it is worth pointing out that capital punishment, and prison labour are two of the BNP's new major policies Ah, well plenty of people on here agree with those policies... maybe I'd better leave before the site turns into a cell...
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 9:55:52 GMT -1
These crimes are no worse than things that have occurred for centuries around the world. Our country is actually safer than it was in many periods of our history. An execution is no good. In the USA the death penalty has not had an effect in reducing crime. Death row has more people than ever waiting to die. The fact is that more murder/manslaughter etc...............call it what you will, is not premeditated and happens in a spur of the moment. So how is a death penalty supposed to affect that? Anyway living in a nation that executes its citizens is backward! It is not right to kill people for committing crime especially as mistakes are made in convicting. Lets face facts these crimes as horrible as they are, aren't that common otherwise we'd all know people that had been victims on a regular basis. The media like to sensationalise and that is the main reason why it feels like things are going down hill. Who mentioned the death penalty? I only said that we are decending into their social shit. Bit of punishment, a slap - or national service
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 20, 2007 9:56:58 GMT -1
Actually it is worth pointing out that capital punishment, and prison labour are two of the BNP's new major policies Ah, well plenty of people on here agree with those policies... maybe I'd better leave before the site turns into a cell... Whats the answer though, because being nice does not work
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Post by ArgyleNeil on Nov 20, 2007 9:57:08 GMT -1
Actually it is worth pointing out that capital punishment, and prison labour are two of the BNP's new major policies Ah, well plenty of people on here agree with those policies... maybe I'd better leave before the site turns into a cell... See this is my point they are making policies echoing the small niggles that your every day voter has with current society. A clever facist is a dangerous one, just ask the germans.
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 9:59:10 GMT -1
Ah, well plenty of people on here agree with those policies... maybe I'd better leave before the site turns into a cell... Whats the answer though, because being nice does not work Ooh, like your National Service idea, we can send the chavs into the front line in our illegal wars then!
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 20, 2007 10:00:18 GMT -1
See this is my point they are making policies echoing the small niggles that your every day voter has with current society. A clever facist is a dangerous one, just ask the germans. Yeppo. So what would you do about the fascists? Anyone got any ideas other than my "smash them" or "ban them"
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