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Post by Billy on Sept 18, 2007 15:38:02 GMT -1
Hello, I have been asked to start a thread, as a friend of mine has some Springer Spaniel puppies for sale. I think there ar about half a dozen, they are pure breed and will cost between £250-£300. Now I don't know about dogs but that does seem a bit expensive However, if anyone wants one let me know.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 18, 2007 15:52:20 GMT -1
If they're purebred, with certification for the parents and all that, then they really are considered to be worth that much by professional breeders.
The only people I can think of willing to pay that much would be people who want to breed dogs and sell those puppies on to other people for that price, so unfortunately I can't help! (I like cross-breeds anyway; usually much more fun!)
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Post by officergroyman on Sept 18, 2007 16:19:46 GMT -1
.........will cost between £250-£300. Now I don't know about dogs but that does seem a bit expensive Boooooooo Billy, we're worth it gangsters!!!!
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Sept 18, 2007 16:21:47 GMT -1
Purebred Staffies go for 250 notes. Know which one i would rather have.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 18, 2007 16:28:10 GMT -1
Purebred Dobermans go for some insane amount (it's between £400 and £700, depending on the parents being prizewinners etc) - a friend's got one of them and a purebred boxer (I think; it's another big muscly dog anyway). No-one in their right mind would break into his house!
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Post by officergroyman on Sept 18, 2007 18:15:48 GMT -1
Purebred Dobermans go for some insane amount (it's between £400 and £700, depending on the parents being prizewinners etc) - a friend's got one of them and a purebred boxer (I think; it's another big muscly dog anyway). No-one in their right mind would break into his house! they wouldn't if you bought the Monkeys from my thread either - Monkeys KICK ASS!!!!! ;D ;D
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Sept 18, 2007 18:29:25 GMT -1
Purebred Dobermans go for some insane amount (it's between £400 and £700, depending on the parents being prizewinners etc) - a friend's got one of them and a purebred boxer (I think; it's another big muscly dog anyway). No-one in their right mind would break into his house! Fatima Whitbred was a big muscular dog.
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 19, 2007 8:15:22 GMT -1
Springer Spaniels are okay, but if I ruled the world, I'd have Rottweilers, Dobermans, all Bull Terriers and Alsatians banned. Lucky for those dogs that I don't rule the world, eh...?
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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 19, 2007 8:40:32 GMT -1
I got all excited there, though you where finally offering Jemma puppies up for grabs
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 8:46:18 GMT -1
Nothing wrong with Alsatians or Dobermans, as long as they're trained well. Rotties and Bull Terriers can be a bit more temperamental, but they're still not so dangerous as to warrant banning them. The only breed I can think of an argument for banning (that isn't already) is the Akita. Very friendly dogs when around the family they were raised in, but they're very pack-oriented and protective/defensive, and can be very aggressive towards 'outsiders' and smaller animals. Trained well, they're generally fine, but most 'casual' dog owners don't have the knowledge to train them properly. Essentially, they're not a threat to you or your family, but I wouldn't fancy anyone's odds if they broke in - these dogs werre originally bred to take down bears! (Shame really, because when they know you well enough to consider you a friend, they really are lovely dogs)
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 19, 2007 8:51:27 GMT -1
I took it for granted someone would bite! ;D Most of my dislikes are entirely rational... and I think my dislike of dangerous dogs is entirely rational, if somewhat hysterical! I can't apologise for it because I'm not sorry - I think that those breeds are dangerous and unpleasant, and the world would be a better place if they didn't exist. Man's best friend? Don't make me shit! Anyway, that's enough controversy, you can tell me I'm wrong, but I feel particularly strongly about those breeds. Not too keen on Mastiffs or Wolfhounds either!
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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 19, 2007 8:53:41 GMT -1
don't get the whole dog thing myself, would only have one if I had a big and I mean big garden and plenty of free time. They are like children, very demanding
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 8:57:48 GMT -1
don't get the whole dog thing myself, would only have one if I had a big and I mean big garden and plenty of free time. They are like children, very demanding Those of us that don't have children can meet those demands though
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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 19, 2007 9:00:46 GMT -1
don't get the whole dog thing myself, would only have one if I had a big and I mean big garden and plenty of free time. They are like children, very demanding Those of us that don't have children can meet those demands though Not knocking you for having one, my sister who's autistic really bonded with hers. But such a demand on my mother.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 9:10:03 GMT -1
I took it for granted someone would bite! ;D *comedy drumkick* I won't say you're wrong to dislike dogs, but I feel it's only fair that they're defended in turn. With the exception of a few breeds, dogs are only as dangerous as you train them to be, as with anything else - you can teach them to be aggressive, or you can teach them to accept people willingly unless it's made clear they shouldn't (or, in my dog's case, to just watch people as they come in and greet them with a wagging tail). This is where we see my cynical side kick in, but to be quite frank dogs show more loyalty to their 'pack' (family, master, whoever) than just about any human I've ever seen. Yes, you get the occasional twat who can't look after or train his dog properly, but by and large they make fantastic companions. Personal example; I remember when I was 14, I was out walking Tak (my dog) and this other guy had left his dog off the lead and evidently hadn't trained it (going by the way it came tearing across the field barking and snarling at me and wouldn't come back when it was called). I froze, certain I was about to get attacked (there was no waggy tail on that thing) and despite it being bigger than Tak, he charged it down and fought it, solely because he was protecting me. Even when the other dog's owner came running over and punted Tak in the ribs (and believe me, he yelped), he still only backed off far enough to stand between me and the other dog. Given that in the past he'd run away from dogs smaller than this one, I think that must've taken a lot of balls on his part - and going by the way he was trembling for about half an hour afterwards, I'm right to think that! Sure, dogs can't sit and talk to you, can't lend you money when you need it and so on, but they're better friends than about 90% of any people I've ever met, that's for damn sure. And that's without going into the part about teaching children responsibility, protecting your home, proven medical benefits etc. Man's best friend? I say so - and check out the story of Hachikou if you need another case example!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 9:10:57 GMT -1
Those of us that don't have children can meet those demands though Not knocking you for having one, my sister who's autistic really bonded with hers. But such a demand on my mother. They are a lot of work, I agree, and there's probably more people take them on than they should. To me, though, they're worth all the time and money in the world.
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 19, 2007 9:17:44 GMT -1
That's a very interesting story Neko, and I can sympathise with your view to an extent. However dogs have only ever impacted on my life in a negative way, and when I hear people (cos you're not alone) talking about pets being better than other human beings, it makes me want to tear my hair and send them off to a psychiatrist! Sure, people let you down, humans can indeed be crap in all manner of ways, but I think there's gotta be something wrong with people who start to think that other animals provide better company, friendship, loyalty etcetera. If nothing else, wait til you have kids, and make sure you have them with a good woman. If you do the job right, that's when you will see unconditional love, friendship and loyalty (I hope).
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 9:34:12 GMT -1
I did qualify my statement as "about 90% of people" - I agree there are some fantastic people out there (my cousin is a prime example for me personally), but look at humanity objectively now, and what do you see? The truth is, people - as a whole - are all about 'self self self' now. As an example, Hurls - great guy that he is - has said that he has no qualms treading on someone else to get to the top. Fair enough, that's his approach, but I don't buy into it.
I've seen 'best friends' stab each other in the back over the most petty things imaginable. Just look at stuff in the papers - people getting shot or stabbed for the most mundane and trivial things you could think of. I look around in the workplace, and see people willing to drop so-called friends in the shit to save their own arse. For all my positivity and optimism, I realise just how fucking ugly humanity is. Sure, I've had bad experiences with dogs too, but it's nothing on what we're like. Were dogs capable of understanding like we are, I'd trust Tak ahead of almost anyone.
Yeah, maybe I do wanna see a shrink about that - or maybe I just see what everyone else can't/won't. The plain truth is that Tak's proved he's got my back - I, on the other hand, have watched out for everyone else's a lot more than they collectively have watched out for mine. I know what I'd consider truer friendship and loyalty.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 9:37:31 GMT -1
As for dogs being dangerous - compare a full years' deaths/serious injuries caused by dogs to that caused by cars, other people, industrial accidents, whatever over just a month. I know what I'd expect to be higher.
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Post by Dr LuKas on Sept 19, 2007 9:45:29 GMT -1
You can't compare dogs to humans in any way though Neko. I understand you see your dog as a friend, I don't think theirs anything wrong with that but you can't really talk about humanity in such a negative light compared to the simple values of a dog. Anyway interesting stuff.
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