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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 19, 2007 9:51:17 GMT -1
Maybe I'm missunderstood, they are my sentiments in the business world. I wouldn't behave that way towards friends. Never have and won't. I don't really see the point.
But animals are a poor substitute for humans
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 19, 2007 9:51:20 GMT -1
Neko: Yeah, people are awful. But we're animals too, remember?! Our flaws are what keep us like animals - the fact that at the end of the day we're mindlessly driven by hormones whether to violence or to sex or compete for advantage - what's so civilised about the advantage being controlled by money?! At the end of the day I still favour people over other animals, because sometimes you see the good in people - what I'd hesitate to describe as our humanity! I think what you feel for Tak is similar to what you'd feel towards a family member - assuming you feel close to your family, and I don't desire or intend to dig around in there if not. I don't understand that familial bond to an animal, but I recognise some people have it. As for your second post, sure, and a gun is more dangerous than a knife, doesn't make knives okay does it?!
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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 19, 2007 9:53:33 GMT -1
Haha Well now we call this the act of mating but... There are several other very important differences Between human beings and anmials you should know about
I'd appreciate it in the butt
Sweat baby sweat baby Sex is a Texas drop me Can you do the kind of stuff that only friends would sing about So put your hands down my pants and I bet you'll feel nuts Yes I'm Sisco, Yes I'm Ebert and you're getting two thumbs up You've had enough of two hand touch You want it rough you're out of bounds I want you smoothered want you covered Like my waffle house hash browns Come quick like fed ex Irridgenate like fex Just like cuticle cost stock You are inclined to make me rise an hour early Just like day light savings time
(Chorus) Do it now You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals So let's do it like they do on the discover channel Do it again now You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals So let's do it like they do on the discover channel Getting horny now
Love the kind you clean up with a mop and bucket With the lost catagrins of Egypt Only god knows where we stuck it Heiroglphyics let me be specific I wanna be down in your south seas But I got this notation that the motation of your ocean Meets small craft of that visery So if I captsize And devize high tide give me five You sunk my battle ship Please turn me on I'm Mr. Coffee with an automatic drip So show me your's I'll show you mine Tool Time you'll love it just like la And then we'll do it doggie-style So we can watch x-files
(3x's) Do it now You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals So let's do it like they do on the discover channel Do it again now You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals So let's do it like they do on the discover channel Getting horny now
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 9:54:21 GMT -1
You can't compare dogs to humans in any way though Neko. I understand you see your dog as a friend, I don't think theirs anything wrong with that but you can't really talk about humanity in such a negative light compared to the simple values of a dog. Anyway interesting stuff. Evidently I just have a different mindset to the majority, but I can and do compare them. Tak sees us (my family) as part of his 'pack', and I see him as part of the family, so I don't see why I can't compare other stuff in similar terms. Humans are just advanced animals, and to be honest I think the animal 'pack' mentality is a far better social model than anything we have. Intentionally or otherwise, me and my friends - the people I actually consider friends and not just mates - have assumed that 'pack' system too. There's the natural leaders, there's the scouts, there's the natural fighters, there's the runts, and it all comes together in a natural and stress-free way. None of this "You owe me respec', innit!" bollocks; we all know where we stand, we slotted into it naturally, we watch out for each other without question and it works. Yeah, we occasionally scrap, but we come back together again afterwards 'cause it's for the best for the 'pack'. There's very little 'self' and that's how it should be. Humans, as cool as they can be, just ain't all they're cracked up to be
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 19, 2007 9:54:22 GMT -1
Maybe I'm missunderstood, they are my sentiments in the business world. I wouldn't behave that way towards friends. Never have and won't. I don't really see the point. But animals are a poor substitute for humans A stranger's just a friend you haven't met, Hurls! ;D Seriously though I don't think anyone's saying your rampant capitalism makes you a terrible person! We know (well I know) you're a stand-up bloke!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 9:56:44 GMT -1
Neko: Yeah, people are awful. But we're animals too, remember?! Our flaws are what keep us like animals - the fact that at the end of the day we're mindlessly driven by hormones whether to violence or to sex or compete for advantage - what's so civilised about the advantage being controlled by money?! At the end of the day I still favour people over other animals, because sometimes you see the good in people - what I'd hesitate to describe as our humanity! I think what you feel for Tak is similar to what you'd feel towards a family member - assuming you feel close to your family, and I don't desire or intend to dig around in there if not. I don't understand that familial bond to an animal, but I recognise some people have it. As for your second post, sure, and a gun is more dangerous than a knife, doesn't make knives okay does it?! Yeah, we're animals too, and certainly no higher than them IMO, humanity or not. As for the guns/knives thing, it does mean I'd ban guns before I banned knives
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Post by Dr LuKas on Sept 19, 2007 9:57:21 GMT -1
As for your second post, sure, and a gun is more dangerous than a knife, doesn't make knives okay does it?! Yes it does Jules, we need knives to share out the funk pie I made for you.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 9:57:47 GMT -1
Maybe I'm missunderstood, they are my sentiments in the business world. I wouldn't behave that way towards friends. Never have and won't. I don't really see the point. But animals are a poor substitute for humans Yeah, I do appreciate that, and I didn't mean to imply you'd do it to a friend - it was just the first example that came to hand.
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 19, 2007 10:03:12 GMT -1
Yeah, we're animals too, and certainly no higher than them IMO, humanity or not. As for the guns/knives thing, it does mean I'd ban guns before I banned knives Sweet though that sentiment is, giving such a high place to other animals... FFS! Look around you! What other creature on this planet could achieve what we humans have?! Sure a lot of wicked achievements have been made, but there's a lot of good out there too. Ban both... and imprison anyone who carries a gun or a knife (within certain parameters, I'm not talking about penknives, even if they are potentially lethal, or indeed carving knives - admit there's a problem there! That said - good example, ban machetes and rottweilers, not bread knives and labradors!
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 19, 2007 10:04:02 GMT -1
Yes it does Jules, we need knives to share out the funk pie I made for you. See Neko! Humans are great, they make pies! Speaking of which, getting lunch, brb...!
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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 19, 2007 10:08:40 GMT -1
Maybe I'm missunderstood, they are my sentiments in the business world. I wouldn't behave that way towards friends. Never have and won't. I don't really see the point. But animals are a poor substitute for humans A stranger's just a friend you haven't met, Hurls! ;D Seriously though I don't think anyone's saying your rampant capitalism makes you a terrible person! We know (well I know) you're a stand-up bloke! I thank you Sir, and I consider you to be of the same ilk
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 10:10:26 GMT -1
Sweet though that sentiment is, giving such a high place to other animals... FFS! Look around you! What other creature on this planet could achieve what we humans have?! Sure a lot of wicked achievements have been made, but there's a lot of good out there too. And this is exactly where our differences lie. I long shed that romantic notion that, because we're humans, We Must Be Superior. Show me one other species on the planet that's responsible for such massive destruction, that kills so many of its own kind for no reason (or indeed even with reason), that takes so much and gives nothing back, that already exists far beyond its means and intends to get even "better." Yeah, humanity's responsible for a lot of good stuff. We've also caused a lot more pain and suffering than anything else, and personally, I'd say that puts us credit-neutral at best. We don't learn from our mistakes, and we very rarely think beyond our own gains. If we all lived with the same pack mentality that most animals do - keep to our own territory, take only what we need, and for fuck's sake look out for each other - the world would be a much better place. Tell me that's wrong.
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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 19, 2007 10:12:49 GMT -1
You can't compare dogs to humans in any way though Neko. I understand you see your dog as a friend, I don't think theirs anything wrong with that but you can't really talk about humanity in such a negative light compared to the simple values of a dog. Anyway interesting stuff. Evidently I just have a different mindset to the majority, but I can and do compare them. Tak sees us (my family) as part of his 'pack', and I see him as part of the family, so I don't see why I can't compare other stuff in similar terms. Humans are just advanced animals, and to be honest I think the animal 'pack' mentality is a far better social model than anything we have. Intentionally or otherwise, me and my friends - the people I actually consider friends and not just mates - have assumed that 'pack' system too. There's the natural leaders, there's the scouts, there's the natural fighters, there's the runts, and it all comes together in a natural and stress-free way. None of this "You owe me respec', innit!" bollocks; we all know where we stand, we slotted into it naturally, we watch out for each other without question and it works. Yeah, we occasionally scrap, but we come back together again afterwards 'cause it's for the best for the 'pack'. There's very little 'self' and that's how it should be. Humans, as cool as they can be, just ain't all they're cracked up to be Animals in packs are dangerous, this s proven. the same siege mentality envelopes at the football. We become tribal and hunt in packs. Yes the system works, however it is challeneged as in the human world and when a leader is overthrown by a new younger stronger member of the pack. The outcast leader is no longer a part off the pack and has to fend for himself. This will eventually lead to his death. Is that not cruel?
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 10:17:49 GMT -1
Evidently I just have a different mindset to the majority, but I can and do compare them. Tak sees us (my family) as part of his 'pack', and I see him as part of the family, so I don't see why I can't compare other stuff in similar terms. Humans are just advanced animals, and to be honest I think the animal 'pack' mentality is a far better social model than anything we have. Intentionally or otherwise, me and my friends - the people I actually consider friends and not just mates - have assumed that 'pack' system too. There's the natural leaders, there's the scouts, there's the natural fighters, there's the runts, and it all comes together in a natural and stress-free way. None of this "You owe me respec', innit!" bollocks; we all know where we stand, we slotted into it naturally, we watch out for each other without question and it works. Yeah, we occasionally scrap, but we come back together again afterwards 'cause it's for the best for the 'pack'. There's very little 'self' and that's how it should be. Humans, as cool as they can be, just ain't all they're cracked up to be Animals in packs are dangerous, this s proven. the same siege mentality envelopes at the football. We become tribal and hunt in packs. Yes the system works, however it is challeneged as in the human world and when a leader is overthrown by a new younger stronger member of the pack. The outcast leader is no longer a part off the pack and has to fend for himself. This will eventually lead to his death. Is that not cruel? Animals in packs are dangerous when crossed. Show me a recorded instance of a pack of lions running rampant through a village, mauling anything they come across. Doesn't happen - they keep to themselves and only take what they need to survive. Yes, that is cruel, and in a perfect world he'd merely be 'demoted'. It ensures the survival of the pack, though. Convince me that humanity's means of survival are less cruel to each other.
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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 19, 2007 10:25:58 GMT -1
it was my point that they are equally cruel if not more so than us mate.
I can't accept that a animals life is better than mine or more harmonious, just isn't and in many ways they're far crueler than us. If your not fit you die, if your weak you die, if your old you die.
Sounds a bit like hitlers master race
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 19, 2007 10:32:30 GMT -1
And this is exactly where our differences lie. I long shed that romantic notion that, because we're humans, We Must Be Superior. Show me one other species on the planet that's responsible for such massive destruction, that kills so many of its own kind for no reason (or indeed even with reason), that takes so much and gives nothing back, that already exists far beyond its means and intends to get even "better." Yeah, humanity's responsible for a lot of good stuff. We've also caused a lot more pain and suffering than anything else, and personally, I'd say that puts us credit-neutral at best. We don't learn from our mistakes, and we very rarely think beyond our own gains. If we all lived with the same pack mentality that most animals do - keep to our own territory, take only what we need, and for fuck's sake look out for each other - the world would be a much better place. Tell me that's wrong. There's no romance involved in our obvious superiority. The happy evolutionary combination of complex brains and opposable thumbs has led us to where we are! Other species haven't had the capacity to create massive destruction, which is good for us frankly! I can't credit that you believe other animals wouldn't kill each other in number if they had the ability and technology so to do! Assuming you accept that we are highly evolved apes, which I'm sure you do, there is nothing special that made us more savage or aggressive as a species than any other! I've agreed that humans have long been pretty awful to each other and the world in general, but the flip-side counts for more, as the splendour of human achievement outstrips whatever other species on this planet can! I'm talking about culture, "civilisation" the arts - and sciences too! People don't write great literature purely for their gain, nor do they strive to cure disease for selfish reasons! You're talking like someone from the League for Human Extinction! ;D We'd have no ambition, and we'd have achieved nothing. Moreover it is the basis of all communities, families, unions, friendship-groups, religious groups, membership societies etc that people within them come together for a reason and stick together and defend each other for that reason! So you're wrong, we do look out for each other in a variety of situations.
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Post by Billy on Sept 19, 2007 10:37:42 GMT -1
I'm guessing no one wants a puppy then
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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 19, 2007 10:42:27 GMT -1
I'm guessing no one wants a puppy then I want jemma's puppies
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 19, 2007 10:43:25 GMT -1
it was my point that they are equally cruel if not more so than us mate. I can't accept that a animals life is better than mine or more harmonious, just isn't and in many ways they're far crueler than us. If your not fit you die, if your weak you die, if your old you die. Sounds a bit like hitlers master race As opposed to war, genocide, murdering innocent people...? "Just isn't" sort of sums up the argument. It's entirely perspective - to be quite frank, I think the planet'd be better off without human influence. Jules, you raise all those points about civilisation, culture and so forth - I really don't think we're as civilised as we give ourselves credit for, and I fail to see how us expanding our literary archives creates any real benefit. Sure, it's for our enjoyment - at the expense of everything else on the planet. I'm not LHE extreme, but we certainly aren't as fantastic as we seem to collectively believe. I've been too honest with myself I should've lied like everybody else
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 19, 2007 10:43:42 GMT -1
I'm guessing no one wants a puppy then LMAO! Nice bathos Billy...! Oh, but... *Heart melts!*
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