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Post by Fizzy Bread on Dec 29, 2006 22:23:57 GMT -1
Awww bless ya Han! They wouldn't.. will no doubt be shown and posted on various t'internet sites though
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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Dec 29, 2006 22:27:05 GMT -1
Awww bless ya Han! They wouldn't.. will no doubt be shown and posted on various t'internet sites though Probably
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Post by Pete the Wolf on Dec 29, 2006 22:43:56 GMT -1
As far as I'm concerned, the death penalty should not be allowed at all. Yes, it frees up tax that the public pay for criminals to be cared for. Yes, those who take the life/lives of others have his/hers removed as well. But what does that do? In taking those lives, the executioner finds him/herself guilty of killing someone.
Throw Saddam into prison for the rest of his life. Usually I'd say it gives a prisoner time to think about what they've done, but I reckon that he'll never feel any remorse. Even so, NO ONE has the right to remove a life, no matter what the cause and how horrific it was.
I'm not quite sure where I'm heading with this rant to be honest, but I can say that I am firmly against capital punsihment, no matter what the cause, even if someone I loved was murdered, I'd still just ask for prison.
I'm fairly tired, so I will draw this to a close now, simply saying NO TO THE DEATH PENALTY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
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Post by Fizzy Bread on Dec 30, 2006 10:15:12 GMT -1
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Post by Sterland (S4E) on Dec 30, 2006 10:24:00 GMT -1
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Post by shinny on Dec 30, 2006 10:25:08 GMT -1
As far as I'm concerned, the death penalty should not be allowed at all. Yes, it frees up tax that the public pay for criminals to be cared for. Yes, those who take the life/lives of others have his/hers removed as well. But what does that do? In taking those lives, the executioner finds him/herself guilty of killing someone. Throw Saddam into prison for the rest of his life. Usually I'd say it gives a prisoner time to think about what they've done, but I reckon that he'll never feel any remorse. Even so, NO ONE has the right to remove a life, no matter what the cause and how horrific it was. I'm not quite sure where I'm heading with this rant to be honest, but I can say that I am firmly against capital punsihment, no matter what the cause, even if someone I loved was murdered, I'd still just ask for prison. I'm fairly tired, so I will draw this to a close now, simply saying NO TO THE DEATH PENALTY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. I'm with you
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Post by Fizzy Bread on Dec 30, 2006 10:27:11 GMT -1
Just seems a bit of a paradox that the British Government are against the death penalty.. yet 'condone' this situation.
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Post by gt on Dec 30, 2006 10:57:16 GMT -1
I woke up to this on News 24, just reminded me what a fucked up world we live in - not just in reference to the execution but the whole background to this sorry saga.
I remember being a scared 10 year old at the height of the Gulf War in 1991, Saddam seemed like the Devil Incarnate, what a sorry figure he cut of late.
It will happen again, that's perhaps the worst thing of all...
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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Dec 30, 2006 11:02:46 GMT -1
Just seems a bit of a paradox that the British Government are against the death penalty.. yet 'condone' this situation. I'm just wondering how is hanging people in Iraq going to make it a 'civilised country', or at least a country that has some sort of stability? Isn't that the aim of the American and British governments in the long run?
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Post by Fizzy Bread on Dec 30, 2006 11:37:42 GMT -1
Just seems a bit of a paradox that the British Government are against the death penalty.. yet 'condone' this situation. I'm just wondering how is hanging people in Iraq going to make it a 'civilised country', or at least a country that has some sort of stability? Isn't that the aim of the American and British governments in the long run? It's not so much about the way he was killed.. although hanging just seems very old fashioned; but I agree really, it'll be very long time before Iraq becomes a democracy. It's a divided country and your beliefs are based on which part you come from..
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Post by Main Admin Account on Dec 30, 2006 12:15:16 GMT -1
Good. Fecking bravo. Shame it took so long. If they pulled their finger out their ass this could have happened earlier. Bloke deserved to die and I for one am glad to hear the verdict. In the long term it will be better for Iraq and its people.
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Post by Lollipop on Dec 30, 2006 12:17:34 GMT -1
I always think about the families of the victims in situations like this. I'm sure they'll feel closure now the perpetrator doesn't exist anymore and they now won't live in fear that he may get parole....or something.
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Post by PASTIE on Dec 30, 2006 12:22:20 GMT -1
Good. Fecking bravo. Shame it took so long. If they pulled their finger out their ass this could have happened earlier. Bloke deserved to die and I for one am glad to hear the verdict. In the long term it will be better for Iraq and its people. Or, we can take somebody that for years we ridiculed (despite having enabled him to cling to power for two decades) as a 'crazy' madman, forget that he was a superb and intelligent manipulator of people, the media and a cynical suppressor of the truth and we can give him his final and ultimate moments of martyrdom, standing tall, proud and dignified against the cowardly masked invaders. This morning, on the scheme of things, probably won't change much, but following on from "the war to end all wars" we have helped create "the public relations disaster to end all public relations disasters". It is a dark day in which the so called civilised powers of so called democracy have debased themselves by dropping their standards to those of the one they called "evil" whilst walking straight into the trap of a sinister intelligence clearly far more sophisticated than their own. Anyway, back to the football...
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Post by PASTIE on Dec 30, 2006 12:30:09 GMT -1
Just seems a bit of a paradox that the British Government are against the death penalty.. yet 'condone' this situation. I'm just wondering how is hanging people in Iraq going to make it a 'civilised country', or at least a country that has some sort of stability? Isn't that the aim of the American and British governments in the long run? Yet coincidentally, Halliburton did rather well out of it. ONe of the most cynical acts in history, and history will show it as that. Students in the future will perceive it as a cold, illegal and crusading action, which one day they will be debating whether whoever is the then Prime Minister/President should officially apologise for. And they can sit in Parliament and say that is all very well saying it was a bad move with the benefit of hindsight, but I am right in remembering that there were millions of us out on the streets campaigning against this for exactly the reasons which have unfolded? Also, returning to Jen's point - there are so many stories that still have no closure, secret deals and chains of responsibility that extend way to the West, especially during the 80's, that Saddam conveniently takes with him to the grave. Little things like how much Donald Rumsfeld actually knew or tolerated the gassing of the Kurds, seeing as he was in Iraq at the time. Which British representatives sold him the weapons to use against Iran and turned a blind eye to however "else" he chose to use them. And to GT's point, I was 19 in 1991, sitting on a beach in Cornwall with an 18 year old friend whilst the radio debated bringing back conscription. THey were really scary times - we debated where we would run to and hide! None of this is written to defend Saddam/
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Post by PASTIE on Dec 30, 2006 12:30:53 GMT -1
Ok, rant done. This is how I can clear pubs. Now I'll go back to the football...
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Post by Main Admin Account on Dec 30, 2006 12:31:27 GMT -1
At the end of the day, The U.S nor the UK put Saddam to death. They captured him.A man that killed 1000s. Never mind what he was on trial for. 1000s of people are still missing after he took them away. 1000s are dead and 1000s more have felt the effect of Saddams rule. The majority of Iraqis wanted him dead.No matter what you hear on the tele and radio. Many Iraqis no longer live in fear.This is the start of a new Iraq. We hear what the media and Government want us to hear.The Media network should be taken out of Iraq so that our men and women of the Armed forces can do their job properly without the media blowing things out of proportion (no surprise there)
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Post by PASTIE on Dec 30, 2006 12:41:26 GMT -1
At the end of the day, The U.S nor the UK put Saddam to death. They captured him. Agreed - but that is not how it will look elsewhere. The government and the court that passed sentence will always look like a puppet to the US and the UK. Had the original action been UN backed that would never have been the case.
A man that killed 1000s. Never mind what he was on trial for. 1000s of people are still missing after he took them away. 1000s are dead and 1000s more have felt the effect of Saddams rule.
None of this is denied by me.
The majority of Iraqis wanted him dead.
Probably the majority of people in this country would favour the death penalty to be reinstated here, but that doesn't make it right. We elect and entrust responsibility to higher powers in order than mob rule is not empowered. WE create laws and a democratic system works to adjust or improve them, we hope. The end result, at least, is that reactionary politics of vengeance and retribution followed by regret or remorse for unforeseen consequences is wherever posssible avoided.
No matter what you hear on the tele and radio. Many Iraqis no longer live in fear.This is the start of a new Iraq. We hear what the media and Government want us to hear.The Media network should be taken out of Iraq so that our men and women of the Armed forces can do their job properly without the media blowing things out of proportion (no surprise there)
Can't accept this one Ben. DO you think that the daily carnage of civilians in Baghdad or the hundreds of coffins of US Marines returning to the States is what they want us to hear? Taking away the news (however edited, abridged or 'filtered' it may or may not be) is no way to encourage democracy. What troops do behind closed doors probably goes on anyway, but we shoudl demand that our media relays us information in order that we may form decisions for ourselves, and no militia, terrorist or invading force should be allowed to run amok without the ability of people to pass judgement.
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Dec 30, 2006 12:43:00 GMT -1
I think he deserved to die for 'Crimes Against facial Hair' - Thats all i have to say on the matter!
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Post by Fizzy Bread on Dec 30, 2006 12:52:44 GMT -1
I think he deserved to die for 'Crimes Against facial Hair' - Thats all i have to say on the matter! Does that mean Ster should 'face' the same punishment for the same crime.. somewhere down the line?
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Dec 30, 2006 12:55:21 GMT -1
I think he deserved to die for 'Crimes Against facial Hair' - Thats all i have to say on the matter! Does that mean Ster should 'face' the same punishment for the same crime.. somewhere down the line? No, because Sterland saw the error of his ways and shaved it off - he didnt go on Live TV blatantly sporting a 'Monster Beard'! Its as simple as that - sod the politics, that will only cause arguments - the beard case is a complete no-brainer!
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