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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 10:46:45 GMT -1
<snip anti-Blair rant> (though fair play, and to an extent I agree). Still I'm rambling the labour party of the 50's etc., does not exist and really what we have now is a quasi conservative party. I loved Thatcher, if you worked you earned if you're a lazy fuck then you get nothing and that the way it should be unless you can't look after yourself without assistance etc., Sadly yes this is sort of true. I could list you notable achievements of the Labour Government but they would all come from the first term (97-01) and you might say "so what" anyway! Well aren't you a bit confused? Do you want traditional Labour or do you want some mad bitch who ruined the country in the 80s but was admired by some for being tougher than most blokes and for winning an unimportant war? The New Deal means if you're a lazy fuck you get nothing too... but nobody praises that do they? I'm in chippy mood today... apologies if I'm seeming aggressive.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 10:47:51 GMT -1
I loved Thatcher, if you worked you earned if you're a lazy fuck then you get nothing and that the way it should be unless you can't look after yourself without assistance etc., I give it ten seconds before someone drops a ton of bricks on you It's kinda worrying that Thatcher had bigger balls than Blair has though...
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 10:49:54 GMT -1
Sadly yes this is sort of true. I could list you notable achievements of the Labour Government but they would all come from the first term (97-01) and you might say "so what" anyway! And I'm sure keen Thatcherites could list lots of positives from her first two terms as well - and I'm sure you'd have the same reaction! What they did well 10 years ago isn't a concern to me; it's what they're doing wrong now that's the problem.
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 10, 2007 10:53:42 GMT -1
I loved Thatcher, if you worked you earned if you're a lazy fuck then you get nothing and that the way it should be unless you can't look after yourself without assistance etc., I'd like to see you explain that to the steel workers and miners up here in the north who's lives she ruined through privatisation.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 10:55:23 GMT -1
I loved Thatcher, if you worked you earned if you're a lazy fuck then you get nothing and that the way it should be unless you can't look after yourself without assistance etc., I'd like to see you explain that to the steel workers and miners up here in the north who's lives she ruined through privatisation. Closing the mines was a stroke of genius. Now, when everyone else has run out of coal, we'll still have a nice big supply, and be able to charge whatever the hell we want for it! It'll be profitable again! ( Very tongue-in-cheek! )
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 10, 2007 10:56:39 GMT -1
I loved Thatcher, if you worked you earned if you're a lazy fuck then you get nothing and that the way it should be unless you can't look after yourself without assistance etc., I'd like to see you explain that to the steel workers and miners up here in the north who's lives she ruined through privatisation. Well I'd probably get belted, however it had to be done. It was and is a dead industry
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 10:57:01 GMT -1
And I'm sure keen Thatcherites could list lots of positives from her first two terms as well - and I'm sure you'd have the same reaction! What they did well 10 years ago isn't a concern to me; it's what they're doing wrong now that's the problem. Hmmm okay but don't try to imply I'm a "Blairite" as it were, even if I am solidly a Labour partizan... Well what are they doing wrong now? Apart from Iraq and a seeming failure to run the Home Office... oh bugger!
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 10:58:01 GMT -1
I loved Thatcher, if you worked you earned if you're a lazy fuck then you get nothing and that the way it should be unless you can't look after yourself without assistance etc., I'd like to see you explain that to the steel workers and miners up here in the north who's lives she ruined through privatisation. *Back-slapping Exalt!* ;D
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 10, 2007 10:58:19 GMT -1
I'd like to see you explain that to the steel workers and miners up here in the north who's lives she ruined through privatisation. Closing the mines was a stroke of genius. Now, when everyone else has run out of coal, we'll still have a nice big supply, and be able to charge whatever the hell we want for it! It'll be profitable again! ( Very tongue-in-cheek! ) Lol well it's a possibility! Although I hate to admit it the Labour party have nurtured Thatcher's selfish, money grabbing, Americanised ideals of think of youself, screw anyone you can if it helps you and blame anyone else when it doesn't work.
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 10:59:00 GMT -1
Closing the mines was a stroke of genius. Now, when everyone else has run out of coal, we'll still have a nice big supply, and be able to charge whatever the hell we want for it! It'll be profitable again! ( Very tongue-in-cheek! ) I would laugh, but you've done that joke before matey! ;D
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 10, 2007 10:59:18 GMT -1
I'd like to see you explain that to the steel workers and miners up here in the north who's lives she ruined through privatisation. Well I'd probably get belted, however it had to be done. It was and is a dead industry Really? So why are we paying more to import it in from other countries?
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 10, 2007 11:01:25 GMT -1
<snip anti-Blair rant> (though fair play, and to an extent I agree). Still I'm rambling the labour party of the 50's etc., does not exist and really what we have now is a quasi conservative party. I loved Thatcher, if you worked you earned if you're a lazy fuck then you get nothing and that the way it should be unless you can't look after yourself without assistance etc., Sadly yes this is sort of true. I could list you notable achievements of the Labour Government but they would all come from the first term (97-01) and you might say "so what" anyway! Well aren't you a bit confused? Do you want traditional Labour or do you want some mad bitch who ruined the country in the 80s but was admired by some for being tougher than most blokes and for winning an unimportant war? The New Deal means if you're a lazy fuck you get nothing too... but nobody praises that do they? I'm in chippy mood today... apologies if I'm seeming aggressive. No offence taken, you have your views I have mine. Still I will argue with you later as I've got to do some work
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 11:01:59 GMT -1
Closing the mines was a stroke of genius. Now, when everyone else has run out of coal, we'll still have a nice big supply, and be able to charge whatever the hell we want for it! It'll be profitable again! ( Very tongue-in-cheek! ) I would laugh, but you've done that joke before matey! ;D A worthwhile political remark never dies ;D Churchill's quotes are proof of that! (I notice how lots of people bang on about Thatcher, but we as a country seem to have forgotten his 'send the rats back down their holes' remark!)
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 10, 2007 11:02:35 GMT -1
Well I'd probably get belted, however it had to be done. It was and is a dead industry Really? So why are we paying more to import it in from other countries? Because unfortunately thats a cheaper option
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 11:03:08 GMT -1
No offence taken, you have your views I have mine. Still I will argue with you later as I've got to do some work A'ight fella... laters
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 10, 2007 11:04:56 GMT -1
I would laugh, but you've done that joke before matey! ;D A worthwhile political remark never dies ;D Churchill's quotes are proof of that! (I notice how lots of people bang on about Thatcher, but we as a country seem to have forgotten his 'send the rats back down their holes' remark!) My great grandad said he want to out live Churchill so that he could die happy. He died a month after Churchill. My dad has in his hallway a "Thatcher Quits" placard from the Sheffield Star. He says he's going to replace it with a "Thatcher dies" one when she pops her clogs.
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 11:05:40 GMT -1
A worthwhile political remark never dies ;D Churchill's quotes are proof of that! (I notice how lots of people bang on about Thatcher, but we as a country seem to have forgotten his 'send the rats back down their holes' remark!) PMSL! I'm fairly certain you said that one to me as well!!! ;D And I think I committed arguable treason by agreeing - Churchill did some notable good work (defeating global fascism helped lol) but he was also a bit of an arsehole in his private views... Very funny some of his quips as you may have said though.
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 10, 2007 11:06:51 GMT -1
Really? So why are we paying more to import it in from other countries? Because unfortunately thats a cheaper option Cheaper than the knock on effect of having to pay to retrain or pay benefits to the ones she put out of work? Cheaper than having to pay to import it into this country? You're right it was very cheap of her.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 11:08:17 GMT -1
And I think I committed arguable treason by agreeing - Churchill did some notable good work (defeating global fascism helped lol) but he was also a bit of an arsehole in his private views... Very funny some of his quips as you may have said though. Bessie Braddock: Winston, you're drunk! Churchill: Bessie, you're ugly. And tomorrow, I'll be sober. Lady Astor: If you were my husband, I should flavour your coffee with poison Churchill: Madam, if I were your husband, I'd drink it ;D He also suffered from depression, and I believe alcoholism too; another one lots of people overlook. Leading your country to victory in those circumstances and with all the trouble at home was no mean feat!
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 11:08:33 GMT -1
My great grandad said he want to out live Churchill so that he could die happy. He died a month after Churchill. My dad has in his hallway a "Thatcher Quits" placard from the Sheffield Star. He says he's going to replace it with a "Thatcher dies" one when she pops her clogs. Laura I don't know your family but I think I love them...
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