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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 9:09:44 GMT -1
Two politicians actually spouting some sense I wondered why Satan called me and asked if I still had those skates...
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 9:12:04 GMT -1
Interesting thread this... I see what Shippers is saying.
But....
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Post by Remember Jesus on Jan 10, 2007 9:15:16 GMT -1
Two politicians actually spouting some sense I wondered why Satan called me and asked if I still had those skates... Neko another comment that has sailed over my bald pate.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 9:19:16 GMT -1
Interesting thread this... I see what Shippers is saying. But.... I agree; Shippers does have a valid point, but this law is only about giving gay people the same rights Christians already have - as I said, it's gotta be one rule for all, or not at all. Why should they be allowed to say, "Go away gays, we don't like your type" when the reverse situation would be incitement or some crap like that? It's part of being a functioning society, I'm afraid - you either lock yourself away from everyone but those you personally invite to see you, or you have to deal with people you don't necessarily agree with.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 9:19:35 GMT -1
I wondered why Satan called me and asked if I still had those skates... Neko another comment that has sailed over my bald pate. Hell's frozen over!
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Post by Remember Jesus on Jan 10, 2007 9:21:10 GMT -1
Neko another comment that has sailed over my bald pate. Hell's frozen over! Mmmm... Not as funny when you have to explain it. I'll try and elevate myself to your level Neko.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 9:26:00 GMT -1
Mmmm... Not as funny when you have to explain it. I'll try and elevate myself to your level Neko. Wasn't especially funny to begin with, in truth; moreso a dry observation of just how often I find myself agreeing whole-heartedly with those in power, and what a sad reflection that is on just how in touch the leaders of this fine country generally aren't. Summing up so sombre a point into 'Satan wants his skates' often falls flat, for some reason...
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Post by Remember Jesus on Jan 10, 2007 9:29:39 GMT -1
I'm with you on that one.
I very rarely agree with the 600+ elected hypocrites down Westminster way.
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 9:30:28 GMT -1
I agree; Shippers does have a valid point, but this law is only about giving gay people the same rights Christians already have - as I said, it's gotta be one rule for all, or not at all. Why should they be allowed to say, "Go away gays, we don't like your type" when the reverse situation would be incitement or some crap like that? It's part of being a functioning society, I'm afraid - you either lock yourself away from everyone but those you personally invite to see you, or you have to deal with people you don't necessarily agree with. Well the point is that the rights of one group don't outweigh those of another. Whatever "right" religious people may have to believe certain acts are wrong don't outweigh the rights of (in this case) gay people to perform certain acts. And it certainly therefore doesn't mean there's a reason for refusing to interact with one another in workplaces, etc. I would get round my objection to working with racist groups that Shippers mentioned by refusing to be implicated in inciting racial hatred, incidentally.
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 9:39:53 GMT -1
I'm with you on that one. I very rarely agree with the 600+ elected hypocrites down Westminster way. I routinely agree with a handful of them. Large sections of them I'd happily give the order of the boot. But if fewer people moaned, and more people did something about it and got involved, maybe Parliamentary Democracy would work better! (Or not! <shrugs> )
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Post by Remember Jesus on Jan 10, 2007 9:43:56 GMT -1
I'm with you on that one. I very rarely agree with the 600+ elected hypocrites down Westminster way. I routinely agree with a handful of them. Large sections of them I'd happily give the order of the boot. But if fewer people moaned, and more people did something about it and got involved, maybe Parliamentary Democracy would work better! (Or not! <shrugs> ) Too much apathy when it comes to voting. Local elections around a 30% turnout and not much more than that in general elections. It is a sad endictment for our country when more people ring in to vote someone out of the latest 'reality show' than vote for the elected government of the day.
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Post by The Lucky C on Jan 10, 2007 9:50:36 GMT -1
I routinely agree with a handful of them. Large sections of them I'd happily give the order of the boot. But if fewer people moaned, and more people did something about it and got involved, maybe Parliamentary Democracy would work better! (Or not! <shrugs> ) Too much apathy when it comes to voting. Local elections around a 30% turnout and not much more than that in general elections. It is a sad endictment for our country when more people ring in to vote someone out of the latest 'reality show' than vote for the elected government of the day. i agree, it's depressing to see how few people vote. just think, if everyone who said "I'd vote for the Lib Dems but there's no point" actually voted for them, they'd win easily... and then we'd have an alkie in charge (who, lets face it, couldn't be worse then Blair or Howard/Cameron)
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Post by Remember Jesus on Jan 10, 2007 9:52:45 GMT -1
Doesn't matter who gets elected they'd still f**k it up.
Oh dear... bit of apathy there
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 9:59:44 GMT -1
The other problem being - as I believe me and JH discussed at the London Drinks - that there are so many 'career politicians' who firstly don't know about real life, and secondly are looking out for themselves instead of the country.
I can't blame people for being disillusioned when I see the sort of things MPs say and do!
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 10:06:25 GMT -1
The other problem being - as I believe me and JH discussed at the London Drinks - that there are so many 'career politicians' who firstly don't know about real life, and secondly are looking out for themselves instead of the country. I can't blame people for being disillusioned when I see the sort of things MPs say and do! Yes I believe we did. Did I mention that I met Martin Salter a few times (he's Reading West, Labour) and I'm not saying he's one of the good ones or otherwise, but he did say to me and the people I was with - "if you want to be an MP, get some life." They don't make it easy on themselves either - see Ruth Kelly's latest enormity...
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 10, 2007 10:13:48 GMT -1
Why do you think Ruth Kelly made a faux pas, her child is special needs and she is doing what any parent would do if they had the money.
Boris Johnson for Prime Minister!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 10:14:25 GMT -1
The other problem being - as I believe me and JH discussed at the London Drinks - that there are so many 'career politicians' who firstly don't know about real life, and secondly are looking out for themselves instead of the country. I can't blame people for being disillusioned when I see the sort of things MPs say and do! Yes I believe we did. Did I mention that I met Martin Salter a few times (he's Reading West, Labour) and I'm not saying he's one of the good ones or otherwise, but he did say to me and the people I was with - "if you want to be an MP, get some life." They don't make it easy on themselves either - see Ruth Kelly's latest enormity... Truth told, I respect her for that - she put her child ahead of the party's spin, which I think very few people could disagree with. Just a pity she couldn't then come forward and tell the truth - she might not be a Labour MP any more after that, but I bet she'd get a fair few votes as an independent just for that bit of honesty!
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 10:23:36 GMT -1
Why do you think Ruth Kelly made a faux pas, her child is special needs and she is doing what any parent would do if they had the money. Boris Johnson for Prime Minister! "Special needs" Dyslexia can be a problem, but not that much of a problem!!! Point is if you're a Labour minister and theoretically in favour of state education it doesn't look good buying advantages for your kids that the majority of people cannot afford - simply an ideological thing, if you don't understand that, fair play to you. Boris Johnson is an idiot imo but I can see why some people find his buffoonery and slips of the tongue kinda loveable
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 10, 2007 10:30:06 GMT -1
Why do you think Ruth Kelly made a faux pas, her child is special needs and she is doing what any parent would do if they had the money. Boris Johnson for Prime Minister! I wouldn't trust Ruth Kelly as far as I could throw her. Very Opus Dei....
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 10, 2007 10:39:38 GMT -1
Why do you think Ruth Kelly made a faux pas, her child is special needs and she is doing what any parent would do if they had the money. Boris Johnson for Prime Minister! "Special needs" Dyslexia can be a problem, but not that much of a problem!!! Point is if you're a Labour minister and theoretically in favour of state education it doesn't look good buying advantages for your kids that the majority of people cannot afford - simply an ideological thing, if you don't understand that, fair play to you. Boris Johnson is an idiot imo but I can see why some people find his buffoonery and slips of the tongue kinda loveable I do not think that the labour party looks after the interest of the Nation, really what polititican does. However what annoys me is that Blair got elected on the basis that he care about your working class man. He has lied and cheated from day one, more so that the likes of Archer and still has the bare faced cheek to continue lying when he has been caught out - he is a fat handed twat! Still I'm rambling the labour party of the 50's etc., does not exist and really what we have now is a quasi conservative party. I loved Thatcher, if you worked you earned if you're a lazy fuck then you get nothing and that the way it should be unless you can't look after yourself without assistance etc.,
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