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Post by jh1980 on Apr 19, 2007 11:47:24 GMT -1
Count to 10 and breeeeaaatthhheee.... Tis only peoples opinions on a messageboard. LOL cheers for that! This stuff matters to me, so do the opinions of a number of people on here, and so does knowing I've got a point but somehow failing to express it in a way that receives a response other than incredulity! Shippers was right!
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Post by Dr LuKas on Apr 19, 2007 11:48:03 GMT -1
I started a new thread.
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Post by Giar on Apr 19, 2007 11:51:37 GMT -1
Count to 10 and breeeeaaatthhheee.... Tis only peoples opinions on a messageboard. LOL cheers for that! This stuff matters to me, so do the opinions of a number of people on here, and so does knowing I've got a point but somehow failing to express it in a way that receives a response other than incredulity! Shippers was right! sorry dude i do get your point even though prob not showing it, i just cant understand how you can think like that..... put yourself in a possition where this might involve you personally and you were turned away from a job that is your perfect job but you are told no because the other fella over there looks a bit more exotic for me that would boil my blood, if they gave a valid reason ie. he is well qualitfied and showed greater ambition for the job then fair pla but if not...........
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 19, 2007 11:54:15 GMT -1
I wish I could agree with you neko and say we don't need it, but all the statistics and pesky evidence would prove otherwise. Which is why I'm saying there's a different problem to address. Ethnic minority children don't do as well in school, as a rule - should we try to give them more support and show them they can do well, or just tack an extra 5% onto each of their exam papers? The police are looking at the extra 5% option. Seeing as people are queuing up to praise this point and say how perspicacious it is, I suppose I'll have to stop ignoring it... It's a ludicrous comparison, of course we should try to support schoolchildren instead of artificially inflating their marks, but I'm really struggling not to write a sociology essay here... Basically educational underachievement (whatever your ethnicity) tends to be a result of very broad factors of background and the quality of the school you go to. Institutional discrimination is however best resolved by removing the opportunity to exercise inappropriate forms of discrimination. FFS guys this really isn't the big deal you seem to think it is, and I only wish that one of my more clued-up mates was here to spell it out to us...
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Post by mortontheblade on Apr 19, 2007 11:56:52 GMT -1
From BBC's HYS: In short, the police are now considering open 'positive discrimination' - since, by all accounts, it happens anyway. Thoughts? "positive discrimination" is still racism and sexism...... irony is the people passing the law are mainly white males ( and toffs!)
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Post by Dr LuKas on Apr 19, 2007 11:57:07 GMT -1
'guys this really isn't the big deal you seem to think it is' I agree.
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Post by weallloveleeds on Apr 19, 2007 12:01:23 GMT -1
'guys this really isn't the big deal you seem to think it is' I agree. It is though, people are losing out on employment because of their skin colour, regardless of whether they are good enough to do the job or not. And as it's the police force we're talking about, it makes it even more relevant, as it ultimately affects the public.
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Post by Dr LuKas on Apr 19, 2007 12:04:56 GMT -1
They'd only lose out if they weren't very good in the first place, in many ways this will actually improve the standard of our police force. If you're white as long as you really want to go for it and you really are a good candidate you'll get a job.
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Post by Ninja Squirrel on Apr 19, 2007 12:06:03 GMT -1
Neko has made a good point this certainly has got the anger flowing
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Post by Dr LuKas on Apr 19, 2007 12:07:36 GMT -1
Who's angry? I couldn't be mellower personally.
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Post by mortontheblade on Apr 19, 2007 12:08:54 GMT -1
Who's angry? I couldn't be mellower personally. i'm always angry...... like that korean fella in virginia *~twitches~*
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Post by weallloveleeds on Apr 19, 2007 12:11:27 GMT -1
They'd only lose out if they weren't very good in the first place, in many ways this will actually improve the standard of our police force. If you're white as long as you really want to go for it and you really are a good candidate you'll get a job. That's my point. White people who are good enough to do the job are being turned down so that people of a different ethnicity, who are not neccasarily up to the job (the police around here will take any coloured person, just so they can claim the force is representative of the population). Its not good because it means all but the very best white candidates fail, yet people with coloured skin can get in, pretty much on the basis of their skin colour, and being able to string a sentence together- which is discrimination.
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Post by Dr LuKas on Apr 19, 2007 12:11:43 GMT -1
Sucks to be you.
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Post by weallloveleeds on Apr 19, 2007 12:12:51 GMT -1
I'm not angry at all- just frustrated that some people think there is such a thing as positive discrimination.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 19, 2007 12:13:10 GMT -1
They'd only lose out if they weren't very good in the first place, in many ways this will actually improve the standard of our police force. If you're white as long as you really want to go for it and you really are a good candidate you'll get a job. The two things that make it a big deal for me are: 1) Why would it necessarily stop at the police force? 2) What's it going to do to the rest of the country? In and of itself, it will probably affect very few people, but the knock-on effects could be a lot bigger, especially one the media start spinning it right out of proportion (as they will, because it'll sell papers). And Jules, I have to disagree - I think it's a perfectly suitable comparison. The ACPO are discussing effectively inflating someone's entry chances based on their background, rather than talking to the community and trying to help them in a long-term sustainable way that would ultimately work out for the best for everyone. Short-term solutions again; cause and effect have massive implications when it's a sensitive issue.
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Post by Ninja Squirrel on Apr 19, 2007 12:13:56 GMT -1
Who's angry? I couldn't be mellower personally. i'm always angry...... like that korean fella in virginia *~twitches~* Welcome to Texas Petes out door and Army surplus supply store free gun with every purchase
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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 19, 2007 12:15:31 GMT -1
(the police around here will take any coloured person, just so they can claim the force is representative of the population) While I can't vouch for your local force, I can't see that happening nationally. As I said, it's the knock-on effects that I'm more concerned about - instead of taking an opportunity to bring communities together and help where it's needed, they're just looking at making sure they meet their government targets.
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Post by Ninja Squirrel on Apr 19, 2007 12:16:25 GMT -1
I think everybody should be dyed Purple that way we are all the same
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Post by mortontheblade on Apr 19, 2007 12:17:31 GMT -1
i'm always angry...... like that korean fella in virginia *~twitches~* Welcome to Texas Petes out door and Army surplus supply store free gun with every purchase oww!
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Post by Ninja Squirrel on Apr 19, 2007 12:21:00 GMT -1
Welcome to Texas Petes out door and Army surplus supply store free gun with every purchase oww! Did you ever see Bowling For Colubine were Michael Moore went to the bank were they were giving out free guns when you opened an Account
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