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Post by weallloveleeds on Apr 19, 2007 11:21:29 GMT -1
never really has been a hugely mixed race enviroment at the football though........corse there were a good number of other races there but no matter what club you watch turn round and look at the faces behind you next time your at a match and the vast majority are white. only stands to reason that will carry on to other aspects of football I have noticed that - but then, lots of asian people tend to play cricket. Certainly in Luton, footballers tend to be white and cricketers asian, but it's by no means absolute. As I said, maybe people just don't fancy it - and as Jules observed, there's probably more to it than that. So why not find out why instead of going for a quick fix? I've recently started realising how 'ethnically diverse' Elland Road is on a matchday. Obviously a good thing, and quite impressive for a club thats recieved the labels it has over the years.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 19, 2007 11:22:04 GMT -1
Jules tries to argue on here about issues involving race/immigration/social progress You don't carry a briefcase ;D It's his lunchbox
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Post by Shippers on Apr 19, 2007 11:22:37 GMT -1
isn't this whole positive discrimination thing set up to battle institutional racism.
The fact of the matter is many people if they had to choose between two almost identical candidates would go for someone of the same race as them. In most institutions in this country the leaders are white. Therefore they'll pick white over anyone else not because they're actively racist, but because of society's inbuilt prejudices. Same goes for the fact that men are in positions of authority, therefore women get rejected whilst more men succeed.
We shouldn't need positive discrimination, but sometimes maybe it has a place.
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Post by HURLOCK on Apr 19, 2007 11:22:54 GMT -1
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRand............ I'm angry.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 19, 2007 11:23:56 GMT -1
I have noticed that - but then, lots of asian people tend to play cricket. Certainly in Luton, footballers tend to be white and cricketers asian, but it's by no means absolute. As I said, maybe people just don't fancy it - and as Jules observed, there's probably more to it than that. So why not find out why instead of going for a quick fix? I've recently started realising how 'ethnically diverse' Elland Road is on a matchday. Obviously a good thing, and quite impressive for a club thats recieved the labels it has over the years. Luton's got a reasonable core of asian/black supporters too (including one Mudhsuden Singh 'Monty' Panesar ), but we're still overwhelmingly white. Kudos to Leeds though, if you're making big steps in that direction!
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Post by Giar on Apr 19, 2007 11:24:00 GMT -1
Jules tries to argue on here about issues involving race/immigration/social progress ok i will simplify my point so it doesnt feel like such a struggle for you. you and i are both white males, yes? as far as i know neither of us have been or are the types to discriminate against minorities, yes? and again neither of us were to blame or were the poeple who discriminated against them in years gone by..... so what is fair about us being discriminated against now, just for things and the way things were in the past. surley that wouldnt be changing the wrongs in the system just changine the victims skin colour
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Post by Giar on Apr 19, 2007 11:25:36 GMT -1
why is that shocking? all im saying is that i think that PARTS of what they say are good points but on the whole i think their just skin head fuckers wearing suits FFS even bloody comuntists had some good points to make. doesnt mean i agree with the way they wanted the world Ok I'm glad you added all that. My over-reaction, as per!
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Post by Dr LuKas on Apr 19, 2007 11:25:57 GMT -1
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRand............ I'm angry. You too Hurley?
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Post by HURLOCK on Apr 19, 2007 11:26:13 GMT -1
Bottom line is, the best man/woman should get the job!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 19, 2007 11:26:55 GMT -1
isn't this whole positive discrimination thing set up to battle institutional racism. The fact of the matter is many people if they had to choose between two almost identical candidates would go for someone of the same race as them. In most institutions in this country the leaders are white. Therefore they'll pick white over anyone else not because they're actively racist, but because of society's inbuilt prejudices. Same goes for the fact that men are in positions of authority, therefore women get rejected whilst more men succeed. We shouldn't need positive discrimination, but sometimes maybe it has a place. Like I said - a fairer, more transparent process is in order. I'm sure, for instance, it wouldn't be difficult for them to create a selection panel of two men and two women with one 'ethnic minority' and one 'white' of each sex. Tell people why they didn't get the job, and have auditors come in the check up on the process (my company gets audited four times a year, and has a very healthy mix of everyone).
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 19, 2007 11:26:59 GMT -1
PLEASE READ THIS!
SHIPPERS KNOWS BEST!!!
isn't this whole positive discrimination thing set up to battle institutional racism. The fact of the matter is many people if they had to choose between two almost identical candidates would go for someone of the same race as them. In most institutions in this country the leaders are white. Therefore they'll pick white over anyone else not because they're actively racist, but because of society's inbuilt prejudices. Same goes for the fact that men are in positions of authority, therefore women get rejected whilst more men succeed. We shouldn't need positive discrimination, but sometimes maybe it has a place.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 19, 2007 11:29:53 GMT -1
PLEASE READ THIS!
SHIPPERS KNOWS BEST!!!
isn't this whole positive discrimination thing set up to battle institutional racism. The fact of the matter is many people if they had to choose between two almost identical candidates would go for someone of the same race as them. In most institutions in this country the leaders are white. Therefore they'll pick white over anyone else not because they're actively racist, but because of society's inbuilt prejudices. Same goes for the fact that men are in positions of authority, therefore women get rejected whilst more men succeed. We shouldn't need positive discrimination, but sometimes maybe it has a place. He says "We shouldn't need it." I'm saying "We don't need it - it'll cause more problems and is hypocritical. What we need is to resolve whatever creates this supposed need instead." People are too happy to settle for a quick-fix solution nowadays, rather than working toward a long-term goal
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Post by Shippers on Apr 19, 2007 11:32:30 GMT -1
PLEASE READ THIS!
SHIPPERS KNOWS BEST!!!
He says "We shouldn't need it." I'm saying "We don't need it - it'll cause more problems and is hypocritical. What we need is to resolve whatever creates this supposed need instead." People are too happy to settle for a quick-fix solution nowadays, rather than working toward a long-term goal I wish I could agree with you neko and say we don't need it, but all the statistics and pesky evidence would prove otherwise.
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Post by Dr LuKas on Apr 19, 2007 11:38:27 GMT -1
Can we all get funky now?
I mean who here wants to be a Police man or woman? ;D
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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 19, 2007 11:39:05 GMT -1
He says "We shouldn't need it." I'm saying "We don't need it - it'll cause more problems and is hypocritical. What we need is to resolve whatever creates this supposed need instead." People are too happy to settle for a quick-fix solution nowadays, rather than working toward a long-term goal I wish I could agree with you neko and say we don't need it, but all the statistics and pesky evidence would prove otherwise. Which is why I'm saying there's a different problem to address. Ethnic minority children don't do as well in school, as a rule - should we try to give them more support and show them they can do well, or just tack an extra 5% onto each of their exam papers? The police are looking at the extra 5% option.
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 19, 2007 11:40:50 GMT -1
Can we all get funky now? I mean who here wants to be a Police man or woman? ;D Start another thread mate, please, I think I'm having a stress hernia! I certainly don't!
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Post by weallloveleeds on Apr 19, 2007 11:41:51 GMT -1
I wish I could agree with you neko and say we don't need it, but all the statistics and pesky evidence would prove otherwise. Which is why I'm saying there's a different problem to address. Ethnic minority children don't do as well in school, as a rule - should we try to give them more support and show them they can do well, or just tack an extra 5% onto each of their exam papers? The police are looking at the extra 5% option. Nail on head... (In a very simplified format)
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Post by weallloveleeds on Apr 19, 2007 11:43:37 GMT -1
Can we all get funky now? I mean who here wants to be a Police man or woman? ;D Start another thread mate, please, I think I'm having a stress hernia! I certainly don't! Count to 10 and breeeeaaatthhheee.... Tis only peoples opinions on a messageboard.
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Post by Giar on Apr 19, 2007 11:43:59 GMT -1
good point well made neko
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Post by mortontheblade on Apr 19, 2007 11:44:22 GMT -1
my thought are simple........ the C*NTS. stop trying to make others happy and instead start with the actual english born and bread Hovis?
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