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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 19, 2007 10:32:07 GMT -1
From BBC's HYS: In short, the police are now considering open 'positive discrimination' - since, by all accounts, it happens anyway. Thoughts?
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 19, 2007 10:37:48 GMT -1
Bit tired of the occasional moans about this, tbh.
White males have had the upper hand in everything for several hundred years now so fair enough, sometimes you have to roll with the punches.
Not as if there's 3 million unemployed anymore.
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Post by Giar on Apr 19, 2007 10:38:05 GMT -1
my thought are simple........ the C*NTS. stop trying to make others happy and instead start with the actual english born and bread
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Post by Giar on Apr 19, 2007 10:39:24 GMT -1
Bit tired of the occasional moans about this, tbh. White males have had the upper hand in everything for several hundred years now so fair enough, sometimes you have to roll with the punches. Not as if there's 3 million unemployed anymore. if we went to another country and in years to come do you think our children, or childrens children would be placed further up the line than the natives?
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Post by Ninja Squirrel on Apr 19, 2007 10:40:45 GMT -1
From BBC's HYS: In short, the police are now considering open 'positive discrimination' - since, by all accounts, it happens anyway. Thoughts? Gloucestershire Police did this last year for it's recruiting and ebded up short of new recruits because they wanted ethnic officers bearing in mind only 5% of Glos is of Ethnic Minority Groups/class/gender/area so 5 months down the line they had to recruit more officer who were white they turned down 269 white male applicants
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Post by weallloveleeds on Apr 19, 2007 10:41:05 GMT -1
This has been going on for ages around here anyway. How can any form of discrimination be positive? It should be the best person for the job gets it. Meritocracy works, pandering to minorities doesn't.
This country is degenerating into a shambles.
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Post by Ninja Squirrel on Apr 19, 2007 10:42:33 GMT -1
The country has been going Tits up since Thatcher Bitch took my free milk away
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 19, 2007 10:42:55 GMT -1
my thought are simple........ the C*NTS. stop trying to make others happy and instead start with the actual english born and bread Red rag to a bull Stuey... 1) That's exactly the same attitude as the BNP 2) You mis-spelled "bred"
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 19, 2007 10:44:44 GMT -1
if we went to another country and in years to come do you think our children, or childrens children would be placed further up the line than the natives? possibly not. however the idea is to ensure equality of opportunity. this is not the case now and never has been, so harder measures are required. End of.
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Post by weallloveleeds on Apr 19, 2007 10:49:08 GMT -1
my thought are simple........ the C*NTS. stop trying to make others happy and instead start with the actual english born and bread 1) That's exactly the same attitude as the BNP Nothing like it; the BNP's idealogy invoilves shipping 'ethnic minorities' out. What should happen is rather than British society adapting to reflect immigrants cultures, the immigrants should adapt to our cultures, then there would be less of a problem.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 19, 2007 10:52:26 GMT -1
White males have had the upper hand in everything for several hundred years now so fair enough, sometimes you have to roll with the punches. Jules, I'm honestly surprised! Granted, you're allowed your opinion and all, but are you essentially saying "Well, I guess this form of discrimination is okay"? If a police officer comes to my door after I've been burgled/attacked, I want the best man (or woman) for the job, and I don't give a damn if they're black, white, yellow or albino (the true whites, I suppose). Is it really right that the public should be put at a marginally greater risk because of a government target? Further, this sort of action is exactly what the BNP, NF etc delight in - "Look, they're getting it easy! They're taking our jobs!" etc. I dread to think what it'd do to overall race relations in the country - I thought the idea was we were all equal? "We've had it easy so far, let's take our turn getting a kicking" doesn't sound right to me somehow. Reverse the situation, there'd be uproar, and rightly - no discrimination is positive. Didn't Martin Luther King say something to the effect of, "See the man, not the skin"? I know lots of black people who'd doubtless be horrified by this too - and once it starts in the police force, who can guarantee it'll stop there? They should be addressing the issues of exactly why minority groups don't apply for the police force (and the percentage of applicants is largely white male) and addressing those - are they afraid they'll be discriminated against within the force? Do they not believe they'll be considered? It's a plaster over a gaping wound, I'm afraid - and it's one of those crappy plasters that come off when you have a shower to boot. If they want to use statistics, they should be used to establish what the problem is, not make it worse by forcing targets.
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Post by Ninja Squirrel on Apr 19, 2007 10:52:46 GMT -1
1) That's exactly the same attitude as the BNP Nothing like it; the BNP's idealogy invoilves shipping 'ethnic minorities' out. What should happen is rather than British society adapting to reflect immigrants cultures, the immigrants should adapt to our cultures, then there would be less of a problem. I read somewhere that it would be cheaper for the government to take all assylum seekers and illegal immigrants back to there own countries by plane than it is to house them etc. Not that I thinks that is a good idea but still makes you wonder on how much the Government throws away
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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 19, 2007 10:55:26 GMT -1
if we went to another country and in years to come do you think our children, or childrens children would be placed further up the line than the natives? ...the idea is to ensure equality of opportunity. this is not the case now and never has been, so harder measures are required. End of. That's the thing - it's deliberately not doing that, and therein lies the problem. Make the process transparent and fair, and the best people will get the jobs. That's all the majority of the population want, I should think.
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Post by Giar on Apr 19, 2007 10:56:07 GMT -1
my thought are simple........ the C*NTS. stop trying to make others happy and instead start with the actual english born and bread Red rag to a bull Stuey... 1) That's exactly the same attitude as the BNP 2) You mis-spelled "bred" yep it is, and although i dont agree with most of what they say and think they go the wrong way about it, some "parts" i do agree with.as far as im concerned pandering to the minorities instead of actually sorting the problems within the system is a pile of shit that doesnt do a thing apart from change the asthetics of a decaying pile of shit. when what is needed is simply some well trained and equiped people who are rite for the job
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Post by Ninja Squirrel on Apr 19, 2007 10:56:32 GMT -1
neko as you said in your post a few above I can't be arsed to quote it and delete it all apart from the bit I need.
my point being I fecking hate it when muppets say "they come over here and steal our jobs" I feel like saying "well dickhead get your arse out of Whetherspoons stop pissing away your Giro and get a job if some bloke from Poland get get a job with in 5 minutes of being here why can't you?"
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 19, 2007 10:56:42 GMT -1
1) That's exactly the same attitude as the BNP Nothing like it; the BNP's idealogy invoilves shipping 'ethnic minorities' out. What should happen is rather than British society adapting to reflect immigrants cultures, the immigrants should adapt to our cultures, then there would be less of a problem. Yes they believe in this euphemistic "repatriation" malarkey... but the point is that is because they have the same attitude of putting some ridiculous notion of "Real British" first and fuck everyone else. BME people (many of whom now are 2nd/3rd generation plus) are British too and deserve the same opportunities - but often don't get them. Hence measures to increase their potential to get jobs. As for your discussion of "immigrants cultures" that is a separate point and one which is not relevant to positive discrimination. Incidentally are there any non-white people on this board? I can't think of many/any. Strikes me as odd...
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Post by Dr LuKas on Apr 19, 2007 10:56:47 GMT -1
Affirmative action, that old chestnut again. Unfortunately it is not equal, we should all be given equal opportunities, and by pandering to one set of people, another set is at a disadvantage. Affirmative action just makes things worse and results in resentment.
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Post by Shippers on Apr 19, 2007 10:58:20 GMT -1
isn't meritocracy a form of discrimination?
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Post by Giar on Apr 19, 2007 10:58:31 GMT -1
if we went to another country and in years to come do you think our children, or childrens children would be placed further up the line than the natives? possibly not. however the idea is to ensure equality of opportunity. this is not the case now and never has been, so harder measures are required. End of. soooo......to ensure equal rites we need to start discriminating to the people who's families and heritage have been the corner stone of our society for years just so it looks more like were one big mixed happy family to outsiders
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Post by Katiekins on Apr 19, 2007 10:59:43 GMT -1
::)i d perfer to have the best person on the job! Its the police ffs why mess? I know they are trying to make ethnic minorities feel welcome on our country but its too far, is there any need to mess with police recruitment! Im sure if it was the other way around it would notbe the same!!
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