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Post by CmonYouSpurs on May 2, 2008 6:52:41 GMT -1
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Post by jh1980 on May 2, 2008 7:30:15 GMT -1
This country isn't fucked up! I like democracy but it's a shame there are so many ill-informed!
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on May 2, 2008 7:52:07 GMT -1
it is fucked up.........never more than now have i wanted to live somewhere else
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Post by jh1980 on May 2, 2008 7:53:33 GMT -1
What is fucked up about the UK? Seriously, please let me know mate cos I don't see it?!
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on May 2, 2008 7:55:12 GMT -1
What is fucked up about the UK? Seriously, please let me know mate cos I don't see it?! Immigration, law and order, taxes, local councils........etc
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Post by jh1980 on May 2, 2008 7:59:00 GMT -1
Immigration, law and order, taxes, local councils........etc Immigration: I presume you want less? Why? Law & Order: There is no problem here, it has improved in the last decade, but due to the higher incidence of kids shooting each other people are on edge. Taxes: A lot lower than you'd expect from a supposedly Social Democratic Government, most places other than the USA you'd pay more taxes than here!! Local Councils: Mostly in the hands of the Tories or a Tory/Liberal coalition since the last local elections that "hammered" Labour!!
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on May 2, 2008 8:07:47 GMT -1
Immigration, law and order, taxes, local councils........etc Immigration: I presume you want less? Why? Law & Order: There is no problem here, it has improved in the last decade, but due to the higher incidence of kids shooting each other people are on edge. Taxes: A lot lower than you'd expect from a supposedly Social Democratic Government, most places other than the USA you'd pay more taxes than here!! Local Councils: Mostly in the hands of the Tories or a Tory/Liberal coalition since the last local elections that "hammered" Labour!! Immigration is out of control, even the Government dont know the real figures, it is a strain on the NHS and housing. No one in my opinion should arrive in this country and immediately be able to claim any sort of benefit. I dont feel as safe as i did 10 years ago! Local Councils have too many pen pushers just taking a salary for doing fuck all. Council Tax is ridiculously high and local services are falling..........ie Rubbish collection.
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Post by Arnold on May 2, 2008 8:12:53 GMT -1
The country IS on its knees Jules just face up to the fact. Personally I blame English people mostly. Lazy fucks living on benefits all their lives really really fuck me off
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Post by jh1980 on May 2, 2008 8:15:25 GMT -1
Immigration is out of control, even the Government dont know the real figures, it is a strain on the NHS and housing. No one in my opinion should arrive in this country and immediately be able to claim any sort of benefit. I dont feel as safe as i did 10 years ago! Local Councils have too many pen pushers just taking a salary for doing fuck all. Council Tax is ridiculously high and local services are falling..........ie Rubbish collection. That pulls several issues together though mate. If people come here and want to work and contribute to our country, I presume you don't have a problem with that? If the NHS and housing stock can't cope with more people, then they need improvement - and we all know that it's not easy to run state healthcare. We ARE building more housing and will have to continue doing so for years, but it isn't the government's fault that there isn't enough housing - they have set high targets for building! As for benefit scrounging that should obviously be clamped down upon for natives and incomers. Serious answer: That's just perception fuelled by horror stories in the media, though of course it matters and work is being done - hence Operation Trident etc. Flippant answer: You're getting middle-aged! *coughs* my apologies! However the overall quality of council services is rising, according to most internal figures - as councils become more customer-focused. I don't know why rubbish collection is becoming such a problem, but I share your angst in that regard...
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Post by Arnold on May 2, 2008 8:16:31 GMT -1
Internal figures? That is just to keep morale up ;D
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Post by jh1980 on May 2, 2008 8:17:14 GMT -1
The country IS on its knees Jules just face up to the fact. Personally I blame English people mostly. Lazy fucks living on benefits all their lives really really fuck me off No mate, that's an opinion not a fact! I know it's not perfect but it's better than it was in 1997 - and I can back that opinion up with facts! They fuck us all off, the New Deal was meant to put an end to it, I suspect it's time to get tougher - and there was an outcry from the lazy about the ND, if you remember?
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Post by HURLOCK on May 2, 2008 8:17:35 GMT -1
Jules you are a fool if you think this country is not in crisis, the credit crunch is on us. The tax payer is having to pay for sub prime lending.
What I hate about labour is they got elected on the strength of good soiclaist values - where the fuck are they!
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Post by jh1980 on May 2, 2008 8:18:27 GMT -1
Internal figures? That is just to keep morale up ;D Specific, Measurable, Adequately Resourced and Timescaled targets are being hit dude... can't argue with that!
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Post by jh1980 on May 2, 2008 8:20:57 GMT -1
Jules you are a fool if you think this country is not in crisis, the credit crunch is on us. The tax payer is having to pay for sub prime lending. What I hate about labour is they got elected on the strength of good soiclaist values - where the fuck are they! Ah, the economic crisis! Caused by the corporate greed you espouse Hurls, and by idiot Yanks mismanaging the biggest economy in the world, of course it will have knock-on effects. Again, can you really blame OUR government for that?! You will - but you shouldn't! While that point may have merit, I fail to see its relevance - I'm sure you would die in the ditch to avoid there being a genuinely democratic socialist government!!
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Post by HURLOCK on May 2, 2008 8:22:46 GMT -1
God your so full of shit Jules, you should open a pig farm. Have you heard of Northern Rock!
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Post by Arnold on May 2, 2008 8:27:16 GMT -1
Internal figures? That is just to keep morale up ;D Specific, Measurable, Adequately Resourced and Timescaled targets are being hit dude... can't argue with that! Fucking Yanky bullshit are SMART objectives. I bet you have to put up with the total farce that is a 'balanced scorecard' as well ;D
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on May 2, 2008 8:28:30 GMT -1
Immigration is out of control, even the Government dont know the real figures, it is a strain on the NHS and housing. No one in my opinion should arrive in this country and immediately be able to claim any sort of benefit. I dont feel as safe as i did 10 years ago! Local Councils have too many pen pushers just taking a salary for doing fuck all. Council Tax is ridiculously high and local services are falling..........ie Rubbish collection. That pulls several issues together though mate. If people come here and want to work and contribute to our country, I presume you don't have a problem with that? If the NHS and housing stock can't cope with more people, then they need improvement - and we all know that it's not easy to run state healthcare. We ARE building more housing and will have to continue doing so for years, but it isn't the government's fault that there isn't enough housing - they have set high targets for building! As for benefit scrounging that should obviously be clamped down upon for natives and incomers. Serious answer: That's just perception fuelled by horror stories in the media, though of course it matters and work is being done - hence Operation Trident etc. Flippant answer: You're getting middle-aged! *coughs* my apologies! However the overall quality of council services is rising, according to most internal figures - as councils become more customer-focused. I don't know why rubbish collection is becoming such a problem, but I share your angst in that regard... That first category of people are very few and far between IMHO. Most come over here to benefit scrounge and use the NHS, with a free house thrown in for good measure. Government may have set high targets for building, its ok setting them but make sure they are achieved is the hard bit and where they are failing. Yes it is my perception and thats what matters surely? People being stamped to death worries me, and its happening far to often. You know i told you i have been assaulted twice at work let alone walking the streets, people think its the norm. I can still kick ass, middle aged or not Wasnt aiming that at you m8, *cough, yellow box junction still not there* .....Councils becoming more customer focused, sry that made me choke on my toast .....and as for internal figures they can be manipulated to show whatever they want
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Post by jh1980 on May 2, 2008 8:29:24 GMT -1
God your so full of shit Jules, you should open a pig farm. Have you heard of Northern Rock! Ok Hurls. But I offer actual debate and reasoning, instead of insults! Yes I've heard of Northern Rock - they foolishly got involved with the goings on in the US and we've ended up having to bail them out. Is that the Government's fault? I think not!! And you know well that if the Government had not intervened the impact on the national, and even world economy could have been worse still.
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Post by Arnold on May 2, 2008 8:35:23 GMT -1
1. The education system is fucked. 2. The immigration system is fucked. 3. The benefit system is fucked. 4. The health service is fucked. 5. The property markest is fucked.
There are too many people burying their heads in the fucking sand!
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on May 2, 2008 8:36:49 GMT -1
There are too many people burying their heads in the fucking sand! and they deserved to get fucked up the arse ;D
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