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Post by urrzzzzzzzzzz on Jun 20, 2007 11:09:36 GMT -1
I don't find it offensive. Not really that humerous (as it's an old one) but it's nothing harmful, not to me anyway. I don't find that offensive either. Brings a smile even, although nowhere near funny enough to make me laugh.
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Post by Shippers on Jun 20, 2007 11:10:49 GMT -1
I don't find it offensive. Not really that humerous (as it's an old one) but it's nothing harmful, not to me anyway. People are all different aren't they? If I believed in my heart that Jesus died to absolve the rest of humanity from their sins, etc, etc... that image would probably bother/upset me. I suppose, going back to the point of the thread, this would explain the reaction of certain Islamists... Bingo!
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Post by Mrs H on Jun 20, 2007 11:11:03 GMT -1
A friend of mine has recently "found God". She's been christened and done the Alpha Course. I find it quite eerie. A friend of mine got kicked off the Alpha Course ....... which I find hilarious!! A friend of my brother's decided that the Alpha course was the best way to meet women. Although to my knowledge he hasn't signed up yet.
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 11:12:45 GMT -1
Kum bah yah, my lord, kum bah yah~ *clap clap-clap clap* Kum bah yah, my lord, kum bah yah~ *clap clap-clap clap* ARGH! *dives under a rock*
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jun 20, 2007 11:16:02 GMT -1
If I believed in my heart that Jesus died to absolve the rest of humanity from their sins, etc, etc... that image would probably bother/upset me. I suppose, going back to the point of the thread, this would explain the reaction of certain Islamists... Would you honestly react to the same extent that certain Islamists do though? That's my big issue - yeah, they're allowed to be offended and upset, but how much of it is really worth killing people over?
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Post by Shippers on Jun 20, 2007 11:17:56 GMT -1
it's not really my business is it? and again Bingo! I'm not offended mate - and why should you know my beliefs? I don't go around shouting what I believe because frankly I have realised that it doesn't do anygood. I've seen the nutjobs on their soapboxes, or with their sandwich boards and patronising pamphlets. I've seen people doing the same things for animal rights, saying 'no' to asylum seekers, gay pride and plenty of other causes and they all seem like head cases to me. If people wanted to talk to me about what I believe then I'd tell them, and I think there are plenty of Christians/animal right campaigners/anyone of any other strong beliefs who do the same. It's just that the one's you see are the ones who are the all singing all dancing happy-clappers.
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Post by Shippers on Jun 20, 2007 11:19:10 GMT -1
If I believed in my heart that Jesus died to absolve the rest of humanity from their sins, etc, etc... that image would probably bother/upset me. I suppose, going back to the point of the thread, this would explain the reaction of certain Islamists... Would you honestly react to the same extent that certain Islamists do though? That's my big issue - yeah, they're allowed to be offended and upset, but how much of it is really worth killing people over? extremism is dangerous, but just how real is the extremism, and to what extent does it exist?
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 11:20:49 GMT -1
Would you honestly react to the same extent that certain Islamists do though? That's my big issue - yeah, they're allowed to be offended and upset, but how much of it is really worth killing people over? *shrugs* I wouldn't know, but it makes more logical sense to be a religious extremist than a religious liberal - you either believe the dogma and doctrines or you don't?! Right?! I think maybe some of them are seeking another excuse to attack the infidel, but I'm veering away from my usual veneer of political correctness aren't I?! I can be diplomatic sometimes, honest...!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jun 20, 2007 11:23:37 GMT -1
I think maybe some of them are seeking another excuse to attack the infidel I was hoping I wouldn't have to say it Personally, that's what I think this Rushdie thing - and indeed most "Islamic extremism" - is all about. It's not religion, it's people with a personal vendetta using religion as a tool to manipulate others. Big difference.
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Post by Mrs H on Jun 20, 2007 11:25:42 GMT -1
it's not really my business is it? and again Bingo! I'm not offended mate - and why should you know my beliefs? I don't go around shouting what I believe because frankly I have realised that it doesn't do anygood. I've seen the nutjobs on their soapboxes, or with their sandwich boards and patronising pamphlets. I've seen people doing the same things for animal rights, saying 'no' to asylum seekers, gay pride and plenty of other causes and they all seem like head cases to me. If people wanted to talk to me about what I believe then I'd tell them, and I think there are plenty of Christians/animal right campaigners/anyone of any other strong beliefs who do the same. It's just that the one's you see are the ones who are the all singing all dancing happy-clappers. Do you play tambourine too Shippers?
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 11:25:47 GMT -1
and again Bingo! I'm not offended mate - and why should you know my beliefs? I don't go around shouting what I believe because frankly I have realised that it doesn't do any good. I've seen the nutjobs on their soapboxes, or with their sandwich boards and patronising pamphlets. I've seen people doing the same things for animal rights, saying 'no' to asylum seekers, gay pride and plenty of other causes and they all seem like head cases to me. If people wanted to talk to me about what I believe then I'd tell them, and I think there are plenty of Christians/animal right campaigners/anyone of any other strong beliefs who do the same. It's just that the one's you see are the ones who are the all singing all dancing happy-clappers. God, my parents, Mother Nature, circumstance, or all/none of the above granted me some perspicacity, my friend! Err, that realisation makes you unusual and preferable to many of the reasonably religious people of my acquaintance! That said I'd preach Democratic Socialism to anyone who'll listen... Well I occasionally think about asking you, but again, I feel it's not my business and I worry that my reaction would be negative - you can see I really have a problem with Christianity - that said, I'd almost certainly have an equal problem with other religions too if I knew them in similar detail...
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Post by Shippers on Jun 20, 2007 11:27:19 GMT -1
That's my big issue - yeah, they're allowed to be offended and upset, but how much of it is really worth killing people over? *shrugs* I wouldn't know, but it makes more logical sense to be a religious extremist than a religious liberal - you either believe the dogma and doctrines or you don't?! Right?! [/quote] There are still levels of decency and lines that should be drawn no matter what your belief system. there are ways to express unrest, or offense which don't involve flag burning or death threats. I agree. It's like some football fans use football as the excuse for violence (hooliganism). The danger we have is that whilst most people can seperate football hooligans from the avergae football fan (because they know some), many people are unable to seperate muslim wackos from the majority of reasonable muslim people (because a lot of the time they don't).
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 11:27:32 GMT -1
I think maybe some of them are seeking another excuse to attack the infidel I was hoping I wouldn't have to say it Personally, that's what I think this Rushdie thing - and indeed most "Islamic extremism" - is all about. It's not religion, it's people with a personal vendetta using religion as a tool to manipulate others. Big difference. Well we've been here before throughout history. See also the Irish troubles of the past - it was never about the doctrine of Transubstantiation, as well we all know!
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Post by Shippers on Jun 20, 2007 11:28:00 GMT -1
and again Bingo! I'm not offended mate - and why should you know my beliefs? I don't go around shouting what I believe because frankly I have realised that it doesn't do anygood. I've seen the nutjobs on their soapboxes, or with their sandwich boards and patronising pamphlets. I've seen people doing the same things for animal rights, saying 'no' to asylum seekers, gay pride and plenty of other causes and they all seem like head cases to me. If people wanted to talk to me about what I believe then I'd tell them, and I think there are plenty of Christians/animal right campaigners/anyone of any other strong beliefs who do the same. It's just that the one's you see are the ones who are the all singing all dancing happy-clappers. Do you play tambourine too Shippers? like a beast!
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Post by addicted2venos on Jun 20, 2007 11:32:03 GMT -1
extremism is dangerous, but just how real is the extremism, and to what extent does it exist? ..... I think that this is a much more interesting point!!
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 11:33:06 GMT -1
*shrugs* I wouldn't know, but it makes more logical sense to be a religious extremist than a religious liberal - you either believe the dogma and doctrines or you don't?! Right?! There are still levels of decency and lines that should be drawn no matter what your belief system. there are ways to express unrest, or offense which don't involve flag burning or death threats. Glad you agree. But you're a reasonable human being, and your religious views, I assume, are not extreme. Then again we should get away from this - as I've just been saying to Neko, it is more about the use of religion for political ends than it is about the religion per se. This is also a good point. That's all to say on that really!
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Post by Mrs H on Jun 20, 2007 11:34:52 GMT -1
Do you play tambourine too Shippers? like a beast! Gooooooooooooooooooo Shippers
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Post by addicted2venos on Jun 20, 2007 11:57:29 GMT -1
I think maybe some of them are seeking another excuse to attack the infidel I was hoping I wouldn't have to say it Personally, that's what I think this Rushdie thing - and indeed most "Islamic extremism" - is all about. It's not religion, it's people with a personal vendetta using religion as a tool to manipulate others. Big difference. There is a nice little merry-go-round where religion can be used to affect social and political change, equally social or political engineering can be be used to affect change on the other two as well. An interesting thing to consider is why a most of these 'extremist' rallies, the banners tend to be written in English, and that they always have something symbolic to burn ............. I mean I can't think of many place in the Arab world that would have US and UK flags, George Bush and Tony Blair masks etc ....... At which point you have to ask about the level of spontaneity, in these spontaneous displays of outrage and extremist behaviour!! Extremism comes in different forms, it's just that we're selective as to what we view as extreme. The fact that the 'religious right' has enormous political lobbying power in the US, and can effectively 'lean on' the President to sway US policy. Is frankly more worrying to me than the threat of Osama Bin Laden.
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 12:02:05 GMT -1
The fact that the 'religious right' has enormous lobbying power in the US, and can effectively 'lean on' the President to sway US policy. Is frankly more worrying to me than the threat of Osama Bin Laden. Some good points there mate but while I agree with much of what you said, the bit quoted above needs clarification. At the end of the day, people acting in the name of OBL and his organisation target, attack and sometimes kill "our people" - ie: British citizens - in cold blood. Although the US Religious Right are pernicious and ideally would have no influence on anyone - at least they aren't committing murder (yet!)
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Post by Ninja Squirrel on Jun 20, 2007 12:02:49 GMT -1
I don't know why certain muslims are getting shitty about it, a Knighthood means fuck all now anyway you can apply for them out the back of the Times at Christmas
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