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Post by urrzzzzzzzzzz on Jun 20, 2007 9:25:01 GMT -1
Strong views from CAV! We must have known what trouble knighting him would casue before we did it. It's not like he's being knighted for writing that book though - I'm sure most of the establishment would happily pretend it never happened. He was knighted for his literary work generally, which extends considerably beyond the realms of that book! Islam do need to learn not to over-react though - can you imagine Christianity declaring a crusade every time someone vaguely insulted God or Jesus? Or Hindus launching a war every time someone made a joke about Ganesh, Hanuman, Vishnu et al? Cav does raise a fair point - it's a ridiculous over-reaction. Definetely, and they just make it worse for themselves every time they react like this. Remember the Danish cartoons? It only mkaes them look more brutal and unreasonable and makes everything worse.
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Post by Ninja Squirrel on Jun 20, 2007 9:28:40 GMT -1
Its only because they all have nothing else better to do
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jun 20, 2007 9:30:28 GMT -1
It's not like he's being knighted for writing that book though - I'm sure most of the establishment would happily pretend it never happened. He was knighted for his literary work generally, which extends considerably beyond the realms of that book! Islam do need to learn not to over-react though - can you imagine Christianity declaring a crusade every time someone vaguely insulted God or Jesus? Or Hindus launching a war every time someone made a joke about Ganesh, Hanuman, Vishnu et al? Cav does raise a fair point - it's a ridiculous over-reaction. Definetely, and they just make it worse for themselves every time they react like this. Remember the Danish cartoons? It only mkaes them look more brutal and unreasonable and makes everything worse. And then there was that Pakistani MP who said that this knighthood justified suicide bombings! Fortunately, there's been very little reaction among the people of these countries; it's mostly been political objection plus a couple of small extremist groups. I know it's always a minority even at the worst of times, but thank goodness it's a smaller minority than usual!
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jun 20, 2007 9:33:32 GMT -1
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Post by PureOldGold on Jun 20, 2007 9:35:38 GMT -1
I'm sure he was aware that the release of the fourth novel was going get an angry reaction from Muslims, i agree with everyone having an opinion but sometimes its just best to keep it to yourself, i have no sympathy for this dude.
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 9:37:29 GMT -1
I'm presuming Islam has a version of "Hell"... can they not just satisfy themselves with the thought SR will be going there?! *Apologies for lack of knowledge, RS wasn't compulsory "in my day" lol!
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Post by PureOldGold on Jun 20, 2007 9:43:17 GMT -1
I'm presuming Islam has a version of "Hell"... can they not just satisfy themselves with the thought SR will be going there?! *Apologies for lack of knowledge, RS wasn't compulsory "in my day" lol! Good point, but theres always a minority
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Post by addicted2venos on Jun 20, 2007 9:48:05 GMT -1
Islam do need to learn not to over-react though - can you imagine Christianity declaring a crusade every time someone vaguely insulted God or Jesus? Or Hindus launching a war every time someone made a joke about Ganesh, Hanuman, Vishnu et al? Cav does raise a fair point - it's a ridiculous over-reaction. ....... people always get touchy where faith is concerned. The world is full of people who believe that they've got the whole religion thing cracked, and that everyone else is either ignorant or just plain wrong. The C of E are currently trying extort money/an apology out of Sony, for the sacrilege of using Manchester Cathedral as a venue for an alien shoot-em up. I remember a few years ago reading about Buddhist monks beating each other up (which isn't at all Buddist), in a power struggle between rival Buddist factions. There was an incident recently where Sikhs were protesting, when the leader of a Sikh sect in India dressed himself as Guru Gobind Singh. People have fought and died to protect the beliefs they hold dear. These beliefs systems and the language surrouding them are now ingrained deeply into most cultures around the world. The people who beliefs are strongest and most passionate. Tend to be quite humourless about others mocking or subverting them, and it not just Muslims who will react badly when they feel their faith has been slighted. If you want a group who won't mind being abused by other, go pick on the Amish!!
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Post by PureOldGold on Jun 20, 2007 9:50:58 GMT -1
Islam do need to learn not to over-react though - can you imagine Christianity declaring a crusade every time someone vaguely insulted God or Jesus? Or Hindus launching a war every time someone made a joke about Ganesh, Hanuman, Vishnu et al? Cav does raise a fair point - it's a ridiculous over-reaction. ....... people always get touchy where faith is concerned. The world is full of people who believe that they've got the whole religion thing cracked, and that everyone else is either ignorant or just plain wrong. The C of E are currently trying extort money/an apology out of Sony, for the sacrilege of using Manchester Cathedral as a venue for an alien shoot-em up. I remember a few years ago reading about Buddhist monks beating each other up (which isn't at all Buddist), in a power struggle between rival Buddist factions. There was an incident recently where Sikhs were protesting, when the leader of a Sikh sect in India dressed himself as Guru Gobind Singh. People have fought and died to protect the beliefs they hold dear. These beliefs systems and the language surrouding them are now ingrained deeply into most cultures around the world. The people who beliefs are strongest and most passionate. Tend to be quite humourless about others mocking or subverting them, and it not just Muslims who will react badly when they feel their faith has been slighted. If you want a group who won't mind being abused by other, go pick on the Amish!! www.invision.smileyville.net/smilies/snf (45).gif[/img]
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 9:51:52 GMT -1
Kieran is right. Iesu Christe, this place is such a talking shop! ;D
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Post by Mrs H on Jun 20, 2007 9:59:16 GMT -1
Organised religions are toxic fungi on the surface of the earth.
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Post by addicted2venos on Jun 20, 2007 10:00:14 GMT -1
Organised religions are toxic fungi on the surface of the earth. I thought you were C of E??
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 10:01:25 GMT -1
Organised religions are toxic fungi on the surface of the earth. I broadly agree... but am in shock at the vehemence of that statement! Don't think URZZZ will agree...
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 10:02:00 GMT -1
Organised religions are toxic fungi on the surface of the earth. I thought you were C of E?? Ha! Nominally lots of people are...
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Post by Mrs H on Jun 20, 2007 10:02:40 GMT -1
Organised religions are toxic fungi on the surface of the earth. I thought you were C of E?? I'm christened C of E because that's what traditionally people did. They got married and had their kids christened. I had a C of E primary education but I had the good sense not to take it too seriously.
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Post by Mrs H on Jun 20, 2007 10:04:38 GMT -1
Organised religions are toxic fungi on the surface of the earth. I broadly agree... but am in shock at the vehemence of that statement! Don't think URZZZ will agree... I have no problem with people having faith. I have faith in lots of things but organised religion forces people to become insular, dogmatic and less tolerant of other people.
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 10:06:49 GMT -1
I'm christened C of E because that's what traditionally people did. They got married and had their kids christened. I had a C of E primary education but I had the good sense not to take it too seriously. Similar story here! *holds up hand* Oh, and also I once hung out with some scary evangelicals, of the sort who are really nice to you and then one day try to convert you? I was only there in the first place 'cos I knew a couple of them from school, plus one of the girls who went there was exceedingly fine...!
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Post by jh1980 on Jun 20, 2007 10:08:15 GMT -1
I have no problem with people having faith. I have faith in lots of things but organised religion forces people to become insular, dogmatic and less tolerant of other people. I say I don't, but actually - for fuck's sake people, open your freaking eyes! There we go, I've said that now. Moving on... PS: I agree with what you said above there Laura... sorta!
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Post by Mrs H on Jun 20, 2007 10:09:34 GMT -1
A friend of mine has recently "found God". She's been christened and done the Alpha Course. I find it quite eerie.
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Post by addicted2venos on Jun 20, 2007 10:10:31 GMT -1
I thought you were C of E?? I'm christened C of E because that's what traditionally people did. They got married and had their kids christened. I had a C of E primary education but I had the good sense not to take it too seriously. So you've got the whole middle name thing as well?? ....... I used to go to Sunday school, and at the end of every year you got given a book. My sister got given 'The BFG' by Roald Dahl, and I got given some tripe by Hans Christian Anderson ....... and never went again!! I know my Nan would've described my religious status as an 'ungodly heathen'!! ;D ......... I however would describe myself as a nailed on atheist!!
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