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Post by Mrs H on Jan 10, 2007 12:02:55 GMT -1
I never said that this government were any better Chop. The Thatcher years were the start of the real squeeze on public services though. We're now in a situation we most people would go ballastic, if tax and national insurance contributions were upped to level that would adequately fund the NHS, Police etc. So it will never happen, and the service levels will degrade over time. As for this government, it's day I though I'd never see when the Labour party is fighting the Conservatives for the centre right position in politics and the Liberals are the most left wing party!! They have put through some good policies, sadly most have them have gone unnoticed, in the rest of the pile of shite they've pulled. I never thought I wouldn't vote Labour but the last 2 times I've voted, I haven't!! What bollocks A2V. This govt is just as guilty of under funding as anyone. I work for the police and have seen the cuts made over the last 8 years. Mrs Chopper is a senior manager in the NHS and has seen the cuts to that over the last 8 years. Public services are teetering on collapse because of the red tape this govt has put in place. Please tell me you didn't vote Lib Dem!!!!
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 12:04:21 GMT -1
For all you can attack Blair, his governments have yet to provoke riots! Nope; just helped massively in a Middle East meltdown At least Thatcher won her war! If that's your main problem with Blair (and it seems to be most peoples', and it is a big problem)... I can assure you with almost total certainty that the Tories would have done the exact same thing, if they'd been in his position and with his information (or lack thereof). And it would have turned out exactly the same. As for the Lib Dems... sorry, who?
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Post by addicted2venos on Jan 10, 2007 12:05:58 GMT -1
My Father-in-Law work for the Tax Office, and due to re-organisation he's worked on 3 different type of taxation work while he's been there. The upshot of this is that he's had to go onto the internet to look up how to do his job. As none of colleagues or bosses understand what they're supposed to be doing either!! No you are not,Mrs Chopper told me a bit back that she has a new chief executive who just cannot do the job. She reckons he only got the job by knowing what to say at interveiw as opposed to knowing how to run his dept. Everyone working there know he is as much use as a hand brake on a canoe but what can they do? All the good execs have left to take on safer,less stressful jobs so there os now a shortage of competant managers. Well done Blair. The thing that strikes me most about labour now is that taxes are going up, and services are getting worse. Money is being invested, but in managers on obscene wages that do naff-all and paper-pushers to sort out all that red tape, not front-line staff. Or am I being cynical?
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 12:07:36 GMT -1
Nope; just helped massively in a Middle East meltdown At least Thatcher won her war! If that's your main problem with Blair (and it seems to be most peoples', and it is a big problem)... I can assure you with almost total certainty that the Tories would have done the exact same thing, if they'd been in his position and with his information (or lack thereof). And it would have turned out exactly the same. As for the Lib Dems... sorry, who? Oh no, the war isn't the biggest thing for me. The lies surrounding the war are bigger for a start, but there's still more important stuff. Truth told, I don't honestly believe he's gonna step down this year either... but we'll see.
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 12:11:27 GMT -1
Oh no, the war isn't the biggest thing for me. The lies surrounding the war are bigger for a start, but there's still more important stuff. Truth told, I don't honestly believe he's gonna step down this year either... but we'll see. If you were PM and you fucked up, would you tell the nation and then resign? I don't think many people would. They'd lie, cover it up, do whatever it took to save face and get on with the rest of their programme. And like I said, the Tories would have done the same. That's just paranoid matey lol... anyway it matters little to me whether it's this year or next, I think he's probably done enough to fuck up the next election for Labour.
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 10, 2007 12:14:42 GMT -1
My Father-in-Law work for the Tax Office, and due to re-organisation he's worked on 3 different type of taxation work while he's been there. The upshot of this is that he's had to go onto the internet to look up how to do his job. As none of colleagues or bosses understand what they're supposed to be doing either!! No you are not,Mrs Chopper told me a bit back that she has a new chief executive who just cannot do the job. She reckons he only got the job by knowing what to say at interveiw as opposed to knowing how to run his dept. Everyone working there know he is as much use as a hand brake on a canoe but what can they do? All the good execs have left to take on safer,less stressful jobs so there os now a shortage of competant managers. Well done Blair. I spend my days implementing policies that have been handed down from the Home Office. Problems is these policies are knee jerk reactions from politically correct legislation that comes from the European union and decisions that our government makes to cover their own backs because they don't want to get sued by the public. The public then complains about bureaucracy. It's a viscious cycle. All of it is literally concocted and written down on the back of a fag packet!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 12:15:08 GMT -1
Oh no, the war isn't the biggest thing for me. The lies surrounding the war are bigger for a start, but there's still more important stuff. Truth told, I don't honestly believe he's gonna step down this year either... but we'll see. If you were PM and you fucked up, would you tell the nation and then resign? I don't think many people would. They'd lie, cover it up, do whatever it took to save face and get on with the rest of their programme. And like I said, the Tories would have done the same. That's just paranoid matey lol... anyway it matters little to me whether it's this year or next, I think he's probably done enough to fuck up the next election for Labour. If I'd fucked up that royally, I would step down. "We're gonna risk our troops' lives hunting for WMDs that we know aren't even there!" Not impressed at all~ I know my reckoning is a bit of a long shot, but it seems strangely funny that since Blair's announced his plan to sep down, Brown's suddenly being made into a bad guy instead of Blair's ally. I suspect that what's gonna happen is he's gonna push it a bit further, so that there's real sniping going on, then say "Look, I can't leave the party in this state! I'm staying put for now!" He's a perfect example of a career politican; he's gonna stick around as long as he can.
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 12:22:28 GMT -1
If I'd fucked up that royally, I would step down. "We're gonna risk our troops' lives hunting for WMDs that we know aren't even there!" Not impressed at all~ I know my reckoning is a bit of a long shot, but it seems strangely funny that since Blair's announced his plan to sep down, Brown's suddenly being made into a bad guy instead of Blair's ally. I suspect that what's gonna happen is he's gonna push it a bit further, so that there's real sniping going on, then say "Look, I can't leave the party in this state! I'm staying put for now!" He's a perfect example of a career politican; he's gonna stick around as long as he can. Well... good man. Why don't you run, for Luton South (not Luton North cos I know Kelvin Hopkins and he's alright!) You know WMD were a pretext, and that it was decided that getting Saddam was worthwhile whatever the consequences. Brown is the heir apparent, but he may not get the leadership. It depends on the votes of the Labour-affiliated Unions, the MPs and the Party membership. He has to distance himself from Blair anyway of course, in order to improve the public's perception. I dunno about this career politician thing. I think that Blair went into politics because he wanted to achieve something. Unfortunately I just disagree with him on many, many things!
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jan 10, 2007 12:24:59 GMT -1
Sorry fella,slightly mis read your comments. I have never voted in my life. I never said that this government were any better Chop. The Thatcher years were the start of the real squeeze on public services though. We're now in a situation we most people would go ballastic, if tax and national insurance contributions were upped to level that would adequately fund the NHS, Police etc. So it will never happen, and the service levels will degrade over time. As for this government, it's day I though I'd never see when the Labour party is fighting the Conservatives for the centre right position in politics and the Liberals are the most left wing party!! They have put through some good policies, sadly most have them have gone unnoticed, in the rest of the pile of shite they've pulled. I never thought I wouldn't vote Labour but the last 2 times I've voted, I haven't!! What bollocks A2V. This govt is just as guilty of under funding as anyone. I work for the police and have seen the cuts made over the last 8 years. Mrs Chopper is a senior manager in the NHS and has seen the cuts to that over the last 8 years. Public services are teetering on collapse because of the red tape this govt has put in place.
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jan 10, 2007 12:26:55 GMT -1
So it is your fault i can't slap Chavs anymore? My Father-in-Law work for the Tax Office, and due to re-organisation he's worked on 3 different type of taxation work while he's been there. The upshot of this is that he's had to go onto the internet to look up how to do his job. As none of colleagues or bosses understand what they're supposed to be doing either!! I spend my days implementing policies that have been handed down from the Home Office. Problems is these policies are knee jerk reactions from politically correct legislation that comes from the European union and decisions that our government makes to cover their own backs because they don't want to get sued by the public. The public then complains about bureaucracy. It's a viscious cycle. All of it is literally concocted and written down on the back of a fag packet!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 12:27:17 GMT -1
Well... good man. Why don't you run, for Luton South (not Luton North cos I know Kelvin Hopkins and he's alright!) Yeah, he's one of the few good 'uns that actually votes for their constituents and not their party. He's opposed Blair's whip... 32 times, I think! A big fat paycheque, maybe? (Yes, I know... ) I admit I could well be wrong with my prediction - but if it happens, you heard it here first!
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 12:32:18 GMT -1
Yeah, he's one of the few good 'uns that actually votes for their constituents and not their party. He's opposed Blair's whip... 32 times, I think! Glad you agree. He's a decent fella to talk to as well, you know, a regular guy... Nah he could have done that more effectively doing what his wife does. Frankly. Possibly a megalomaniac though! Credit will be due!
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 10, 2007 12:36:29 GMT -1
So it is your fault i can't slap Chavs anymore? I spend my days implementing policies that have been handed down from the Home Office. Problems is these policies are knee jerk reactions from politically correct legislation that comes from the European union and decisions that our government makes to cover their own backs because they don't want to get sued by the public. The public then complains about bureaucracy. It's a viscious cycle. All of it is literally concocted and written down on the back of a fag packet! I don't think you were supposed to in the first place Chops!
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jan 10, 2007 12:38:29 GMT -1
i wasn't? Bugger,learn something new every day. So it is your fault i can't slap Chavs anymore? I don't think you were supposed to in the first place Chops!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 10, 2007 12:40:06 GMT -1
Yeah, he's one of the few good 'uns that actually votes for their constituents and not their party. He's opposed Blair's whip... 32 times, I think! Glad you agree. He's a decent fella to talk to as well, you know, a regular guy... Our company do an annual charity 'coffee morning', and he came to one two years ago. Obviously, there was a bit of PR in it, but I did chat to him for a couple of minutes, he asked what my job was like and so forth. Better than hobnobbing with the bosses like many other special guests have!
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 12:43:39 GMT -1
Our company do an annual charity 'coffee morning', and he came to one two years ago. Obviously, there was a bit of PR in it, but I did chat to him for a couple of minutes, he asked what my job was like and so forth. Better than hobnobbing with the bosses like many other special guests have! I don't honestly know if any politicians are good people who genuinely want to represent and further their constituents' interests... but if there are, he certainly seems to be one of them... diamond geezer, as I believe they say in the East End... salt of the earth.
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Post by addicted2venos on Jan 10, 2007 12:54:32 GMT -1
I never said that this government were any better Chop. The Thatcher years were the start of the real squeeze on public services though. We're now in a situation we most people would go ballastic, if tax and national insurance contributions were upped to level that would adequately fund the NHS, Police etc. So it will never happen, and the service levels will degrade over time. As for this government, it's day I though I'd never see when the Labour party is fighting the Conservatives for the centre right position in politics and the Liberals are the most left wing party!! They have put through some good policies, sadly most have them have gone unnoticed, in the rest of the pile of shite they've pulled. I never thought I wouldn't vote Labour but the last 2 times I've voted, I haven't!! Please tell me you didn't vote Lib Dem!!!! I didn't vote Lib Dem
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Post by The Lucky C on Jan 10, 2007 12:55:35 GMT -1
We've got Mark Hendrick in Preston. A slimy Blairite who held principled opposition to both top-up fees and the war on Iraq. Until the day before the vote. It was almost as if someone had offered him a new job in return for support on the bills... hmm.
I'd love to see the slimy fuckrag out of office.
Oh, and A2V. Pass the 'concrete Thatcher' petition over this way, I'd be happy to add my signiture.
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Post by addicted2venos on Jan 10, 2007 12:55:40 GMT -1
No you can slap Chavs, you just have to fill in the correct form before doing it!! So it is your fault i can't slap Chavs anymore? I spend my days implementing policies that have been handed down from the Home Office. Problems is these policies are knee jerk reactions from politically correct legislation that comes from the European union and decisions that our government makes to cover their own backs because they don't want to get sued by the public. The public then complains about bureaucracy. It's a viscious cycle. All of it is literally concocted and written down on the back of a fag packet!
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 10, 2007 12:58:49 GMT -1
Please tell me you didn't vote Lib Dem!!!! I didn't vote Lib Dem Hallelujah! Not Green Party either?
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