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Post by addicted2venos on May 10, 2007 14:09:04 GMT -1
I have a conflict of interests on this one! You ain't the only one ........... a 15% drop in house price would see me in negative equity!!
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Post by jh1980 on May 10, 2007 14:10:17 GMT -1
Now if I get a few flats etc., then so be it - this is my pension and investment for my children - there is no way you'll make me feel bad about that. If you bought a bunch of shares, and they happened to increase in value rapidly, then great I suppose - like betting on horses. When you buy up housing stock you are taking potential homes away from people who can't necessarily afford one home let alone several - and the housing shortage ain't gonna go away quickly. So don't feel bad about providing for your family fella... but a "screw everyone else" attitude is hardly ethical now is it?
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Post by Neko Bazu on May 10, 2007 14:11:27 GMT -1
And I'll bet certain labour supporters in the media will blame the crash (when/if it comes) on the Tories whether they're in power or not! Not at all. My point was that not only do half of you not trust Blair (fair enough arguably) but also that most of you don't trust any politician on principle?! And my point was that some people will use any event to generate views in a way they see fit - I'm sure Murdoch would've blamed the December '05 tsunami on Howard if he could've! I'll admit I don't trust Blair, but I'll also admit that there are a few - a few - politicians out there who're genuinely looking for the best interests of those they represent. Luton's fortunate enough to have/had one.
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Post by thales on May 10, 2007 14:12:59 GMT -1
all politicions are corrupt to an extend , just some more than others... struggle.ws/wsm/corruption.htmlcurrent one is bertie was renting a house, got £30000 to do it up before he bought it, oh and the owner, a manchester business man had previous given bertie cash and in his will the house was left to bertie also.....
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Post by HURLOCK on May 10, 2007 14:13:08 GMT -1
And I'll bet certain labour supporters in the media will blame the crash (when/if it comes) on the Tories whether they're in power or not! Not at all. My point was that not only do half of you not trust Blair (fair enough arguably) but also that most of you don't trust any politician on principle?! OK name me some trustworthy MP'S or union reps, the majority are a joke from Livingstone, Archer (who'd have been a great Major) Hatton and Scargill You have to understand that your average joe is not an idiot, and know when they're having the piss taken out of them
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Post by jh1980 on May 10, 2007 14:17:19 GMT -1
I would sincerely love that, but in truth I can't see it happening. I would love a law that limited people to owning two houses/properties tops*, thus freeing up a huge portion of the property market (over a million houses, in fact, across the country) - but what government would dare do it? Like I said, a crash aside, it'd take something drastic - and that just wouldn't happen. * Two properties on the grounds that some people just won't be able to afford a house, or won't find one where they need it - there'll always be a need for rented accomodation, if it's a reasonable price (see students, for instance). Also, a parent will sometimes buy a property for their child in their own name, which is also fair IMOFor what it's worth what you've written there is almost exactly what I believe on this issue, but my idealism isn't convincing anyone is it? And I guess not when opportunities to pull yourself out of the hole at the expense of others are so rife... long live capitalism
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Post by HURLOCK on May 10, 2007 14:18:13 GMT -1
Now if I get a few flats etc., then so be it - this is my pension and investment for my children - there is no way you'll make me feel bad about that. If you bought a bunch of shares, and they happened to increase in value rapidly, then great I suppose - like betting on horses. Well yes have tried spread betting on the share market, property is much better long termWhen you buy up housing stock you are taking potential homes away from people who can't necessarily afford one home let alone several - and the housing shortage ain't gonna go away quickly. 2 or 3 properties maybe more Jules, I will be giving back to the community as they'll be rented therefore I'm providing a comodity to the unfortuate people who'll never afford housing etc.,So don't feel bad about providing for your family fella... but a "screw everyone else" attitude is hardly ethical now is it? I'll never feel bad about that, because like it or not you have to look after number one mate - if I can see a legal way of making good money I'll take it
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Post by Neko Bazu on May 10, 2007 14:19:02 GMT -1
I would sincerely love that, but in truth I can't see it happening. I would love a law that limited people to owning two houses/properties tops*, thus freeing up a huge portion of the property market (over a million houses, in fact, across the country) - but what government would dare do it? Like I said, a crash aside, it'd take something drastic - and that just wouldn't happen. * Two properties on the grounds that some people just won't be able to afford a house, or won't find one where they need it - there'll always be a need for rented accomodation, if it's a reasonable price (see students, for instance). Also, a parent will sometimes buy a property for their child in their own name, which is also fair IMOFor what it's worth what you've written there is almost exactly what I believe on this issue, but my idealism isn't convincing anyone is it? And I guess not when opportunities to pull yourself out of the hole at the expense of others are so rife... long live capitalism I think this must one of the first times we've basically agreed with what each other are saying! Tony Blair's fault
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Post by addicted2venos on May 10, 2007 14:21:12 GMT -1
Says he who was laughing at their pending predicament, self cert comment - pot and kettle! I wasn't laughing at people who self-certified Hurls. In many instances I can well understand why they did it. I was just pointing out the first people who'd be in trouble in the event of a crash!! However the flip side of the market crashing is that it makes property affordable again to the first time buyers etc., on a min wage. Tis true and the nature of these things are cyclical. So while there's a slide down on the horizon, somewhere beyond that there's another boom!! Now if I get a few flats etc., then so be it - this is my pension and investment for my children - there is no way you'll make me feel bad about that. Ahhh the old 'look after me and mine' philosophy ............ in that case I don't expect you to feel bad about anything ...... ever!!
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Post by Stan on May 10, 2007 14:23:20 GMT -1
Crikey - this got serious!
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Post by HURLOCK on May 10, 2007 14:25:38 GMT -1
Bottom line is guys we all want to better ourselves, we're all educated and like the fine things in life. Why take the moral high ground with me, I didn't say I was going to start selling crack!
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Post by thales on May 10, 2007 14:26:35 GMT -1
Crikey - this got serious! ;D
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Post by Stan on May 10, 2007 14:26:55 GMT -1
Bottom line is guys we all want to better ourselves, we're all educated and like the fine things in life. Why take the moral high ground with me, I didn't say I was going to start selling crack! ...although I've heard there're big profits to be made in that!
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Post by Stan on May 10, 2007 14:28:05 GMT -1
Crikey - this got serious! ;D Fortunately for me I have two girls as back up plans.... if things get tight there are several organs I could auction off to cover the mortgage! ;D
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Post by jh1980 on May 10, 2007 14:28:54 GMT -1
but I'll also admit that there are a few - a few - politicians out there who're genuinely looking for the best interests of those they represent. Luton's fortunate enough to have/had one. Whoop! Are we talking about the dude - Kelvin Hopkins - again?! He's a good man, tis true...
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Post by HURLOCK on May 10, 2007 14:29:04 GMT -1
Bottom line is guys we all want to better ourselves, we're all educated and like the fine things in life. Why take the moral high ground with me, I didn't say I was going to start selling crack! ...although I've heard there're big profits to be made in that! especially Michelle McManus's crack! ;D
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Post by addicted2venos on May 10, 2007 14:29:28 GMT -1
Bottom line is guys we all want to better ourselves, we're all educated and like the fine things in life. Why take the moral high ground with me, I didn't say I was going to start selling crack! .......... but why do people sell crack Hurls?? Because people like the fine things in life, and want to better themselves!! It's a purely financial decision for most people who do it, and they don't consider/ignore the ethics behind involved in what they do!!
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Post by jh1980 on May 10, 2007 14:31:27 GMT -1
Bottom line is guys we all want to better ourselves, we're all educated and like the fine things in life. Why take the moral high ground with me, I didn't say I was going to start selling crack! LOL sorry Hurls but I can be very principled / po-faced sometimes fella! Tell you what, let's forget these tiresome matters with a nice pint!
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Post by Stan on May 10, 2007 14:31:40 GMT -1
...although I've heard there're big profits to be made in that! especially Michelle McManus's crack! ;D Granted, you'd get a lot for your money - but I'm not sure there's the demand...!
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Post by HURLOCK on May 10, 2007 14:32:21 GMT -1
Bottom line is guys we all want to better ourselves, we're all educated and like the fine things in life. Why take the moral high ground with me, I didn't say I was going to start selling crack! .......... but why do people sell crack Hurls?? Because people like the fine things in life, and want to better themselves!! It's a purely financial decision for most people who do it, and they don't consider/ignore the ethics behind involved in what they do!! Be reasonable man
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