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Post by Neko Bazu on May 10, 2007 13:07:31 GMT -1
Then you get people like me, who don't want to sign up to support any political parties at the moment (not impressed by any) but who can easily see Brown being voted in, and then Murdoch telling his minions to vote for him, thus earning labour another economy-snapping term, with the source of that problem at the helm now!  Is it any wonder the youth are becoming disinterested/apathetic/unwilling to vote? ........... so you're one of disenfranchised yooofs, I hear so much about!! ;D That's just it - I'm not disenfranchised; I'm honestly interested and want to make a difference and vote. I just get bloody frustrated by the whole process, because it's such a farce most of the time! Incidentally, look what's been hidden behind the headline of Blair leaving: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6642339.stmSame old tricks there |
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Post by Neko Bazu on May 10, 2007 13:08:54 GMT -1
........... so you're one of disenfranchised yooofs, I hear so much about!! ;D I think we should turn our collective rage at the fat wanker in charge of the Bank of England.... twat - every time the interest rates go up 0.25% it costs me more than 150 nicker...!  Thank Brown for that; he's the one who's let the economy reach the shape it's in. By all rights, the interest rates should be nearer 7% now - they've been doing labour a huge favour by keeping it so low! |
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Post by Stan on May 10, 2007 13:11:52 GMT -1
I think we should turn our collective rage at the fat wanker in charge of the Bank of England.... twat - every time the interest rates go up 0.25% it costs me more than 150 nicker...! Thank Brown for that; he's the one who's let the economy reach the shape it's in. By all rights, the interest rates should be nearer 7% now - they've been doing labour a huge favour by keeping it so low! The country can't stand 7% the way the current housing market is.... there'll be protestations at No.10 if it breaks 6.5! Damn fat cat wankers with no concept of how normal folk live! |
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Post by jh1980 on May 10, 2007 13:14:17 GMT -1
t'was reference to the MP (may have been torrie) found in his flat asphyxiated with a whole orange in his mouth, kettle flex round his neck and hold ups on! Is that your bag Julie That was Stephen Milligan, and yeah he was a Tory... In two words - FUCK NO!  |
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Post by Neko Bazu on May 10, 2007 13:19:44 GMT -1
The country can't stand 7% the way the current housing market is.... there'll be protestations at No.10 if it breaks 6.5! That's exactly why they've kept it so low - the trouble is, they're being forced to reign in spending now, because of Brown's policies and actions over the last ten years. Realistically, they should've reached this height last year, but the government-approved means of measuring inflation (grossly disproportionate) said all was well, and that's among the things they have to listen to. Like I said earlier, the national consumer debt is currently £1.4 trillion, and rising. If things carry on as they are, they'll have to hike interest rates massively to counter it, or the value of the pound will plummet (money is currently being printed with nothing to back it up). That'll cripple our economy, which'll screw everyone. A small rise now might help; otherwise they'll be forced to raise it again. Thank the millions of people across the country who don't know how to live within their own means for racking up that debt, and thank Gordon Brown for leading us into a fantasy economy and making it easier for people to run up that debt in the first place! |
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Post by addicted2venos on May 10, 2007 13:20:35 GMT -1
Thank Brown for that; he's the one who's let the economy reach the shape it's in. By all rights, the interest rates should be nearer 7% now - they've been doing labour a huge favour by keeping it so low! The country can't stand 7% the way the current housing market is.... there'll be protestations at No.10 if it breaks 6.5! Damn fat cat wankers with no concept of how normal folk live! Well there are plenty of people who overstretched themselves to get on the property ladder ........ they be screwed!! ......... and if you fraudulently self-certificated on your mortgage, there are interesting times ahead!!  |
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Post by Neko Bazu on May 10, 2007 13:23:04 GMT -1
The country can't stand 7% the way the current housing market is.... there'll be protestations at No.10 if it breaks 6.5! Damn fat cat wankers with no concept of how normal folk live! Well there are plenty of people who overstretched themselves to get on the property ladder ........ they be screwed!! ......... and if you fraudulently self-certificated on your mortgage, there are interesting times ahead!! Much as I hate to admit it (I know it's a spiteful thing to say), a large part of me is hoping for a market crash so that I can actually get onto the property ladder Right now, there's no way in hell I could afford it, within my means or even stretching myself beyond my limit, and I know there's literally hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of twenty-somethings across the country in the same boat. |
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Post by HURLOCK on May 10, 2007 13:23:27 GMT -1
The country can't stand 7% the way the current housing market is.... there'll be protestations at No.10 if it breaks 6.5! Damn fat cat wankers with no concept of how normal folk live! Well there are plenty of people who overstretched themselves to get on the property ladder ........ they be screwed!! ......... and if you fraudulently self-certificated on your mortgage, there are interesting times ahead!! Personally I'm looking forward to the crash, will get in there and bag me some deals - won't happen till next year |
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Post by jh1980 on May 10, 2007 13:39:55 GMT -1
Well there are plenty of people who overstretched themselves to get on the property ladder ........ they be screwed!! ......... and if you fraudulently self-certificated on your mortgage, there are interesting times ahead!! Personally I'm looking forward to the crash, will get in there and bag me some deals - won't happen till next year Yes Hurls mate, I rejoice at the prospect of your enrichment while decent home-owners are turfed onto the streets through no fault of their own! |
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Post by Neko Bazu on May 10, 2007 13:46:48 GMT -1
Personally I'm looking forward to the crash, will get in there and bag me some deals - won't happen till next year Yes Hurls mate, I rejoice at the prospect of your enrichment while decent home-owners are turfed onto the streets through no fault of their own! Aside from naivety and overstretching themselves financially, you mean? (Yes, I agree the crash would be A Bad Thing for many people, I'm just saying they're not entirely blameless) Unfortunately, short of something ridiculously drastic, a crash is the only way the current generation of first-time buyers are gonna get onto the market in the next ten years (and according to Halifax, 85% of towns/cities across the country are classed as unaffordable for FTBs) |
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Post by HURLOCK on May 10, 2007 13:48:21 GMT -1
Personally I'm looking forward to the crash, will get in there and bag me some deals - won't happen till next year Yes Hurls mate, I rejoice at the prospect of your enrichment while decent home-owners are turfed onto the streets through no fault of their own! Do you not think that is the fault of the government and increasing the interest rate, and stealth taxes. Also whats wrong with making the best of a bad situation |
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Post by addicted2venos on May 10, 2007 13:51:39 GMT -1
Yes Hurls mate, I rejoice at the prospect of your enrichment while decent home-owners are turfed onto the streets through no fault of their own! Do you not think that is the fault of the government and increasing the interest rate, and stealth taxes. Also whats wrong with making the best of a bad situation ............ or profiting from the misery of others!! |
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Post by jh1980 on May 10, 2007 13:52:09 GMT -1
Aside from naivety and overstretching themselves financially, you mean? (Yes, I agree the crash would be A Bad Thing for many people, I'm just saying they're not entirely blameless) Unfortunately, short of something ridiculously drastic, a crash is the only way the current generation of first-time buyers are gonna get onto the market in the next ten years (and according to Halifax, 85% of towns/cities across the country are classed as unaffordable for FTBs) Housing market restraint. But that'd be a bit too Communist-sounding for most people. As a homeowner I can't have it both ways. I don't want to be ruined so have to embrace market force to make it worthwhile trying to buy my property. As a socialist I find the market mechanism of distributing goods and resources wholly inequitable. I have a conflict of interests on this one! |
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Post by jh1980 on May 10, 2007 13:55:42 GMT -1
Do you not think that is the fault of the government and increasing the interest rate, and stealth taxes. Also whats wrong with making the best of a bad situation ............ or profiting from the misery of others!! I'm with A2V on this one, though I freely confess to a very limited knowledge of economics, which allows people to bamboozle and outfox me on such matters. I however choose to picture them as simply malign and wrong! ;D Shouldn't have made the Bank independent then, keep it fully in State control! Stealth taxes? What have they got to do with it?!  According to some round here it's the fault of the Government when it rains! ;D |
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Post by Neko Bazu on May 10, 2007 13:56:33 GMT -1
Do you not think that is the fault of the government and increasing the interest rate, and stealth taxes. Also whats wrong with making the best of a bad situation ............ or profiting from the misery of others!! Right now, buy-to-let owners are profiting while I'm miserable. While I feel sympathy for those who only have one property and could stand to lose it, I'll have no sympathy when BTL-types are forced to panic-sell, potentially at a big loss, after making a profit off those who can't afford a mortgage for so many years. |
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Post by Neko Bazu on May 10, 2007 13:58:15 GMT -1
According to some round here it's the fault of the Government when it rains! ;D And I'll bet certain labour supporters in the media will blame the crash (when/if it comes) on the Tories whether they're in power or not! |
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Post by jh1980 on May 10, 2007 14:04:44 GMT -1
Right now, buy-to-let owners are profiting while I'm miserable. While I feel sympathy for those who only have one property and could stand to lose it, I'll have no sympathy when BTL-types are forced to panic-sell, potentially at a big loss, after making a profit off those who can't afford a mortgage for so many years. Fantastic Neko. Why not just stop people buying-to-let? It's completely against all laws of justice that in a situation where ordinary people can't buy one home, some can buy up a street and then rent them out at inflated profits... Better than hoping to fuck over those who've lick-spittled themselves onto the housing ladder despite all obstacles! |
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Post by HURLOCK on May 10, 2007 14:06:08 GMT -1
Do you not think that is the fault of the government and increasing the interest rate, and stealth taxes. Also whats wrong with making the best of a bad situation ............ or profiting from the misery of others!! Says he who was laughing at their pending predicament, self cert comment - pot and kettle! However the flip side of the market crashing is that it makes property affordable again to the first time buyers etc., on a min wage. Now if I get a few flats etc., then so be it - this is my pension and investment for my children - there is no way you'll make me feel bad about that. |
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Post by jh1980 on May 10, 2007 14:06:28 GMT -1
According to some round here it's the fault of the Government when it rains! ;D And I'll bet certain labour supporters in the media will blame the crash (when/if it comes) on the Tories whether they're in power or not! Not at all. My point was that not only do half of you not trust Blair (fair enough arguably) but also that most of you don't trust any politician on principle?! |
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Post by Neko Bazu on May 10, 2007 14:08:57 GMT -1
Right now, buy-to-let owners are profiting while I'm miserable. While I feel sympathy for those who only have one property and could stand to lose it, I'll have no sympathy when BTL-types are forced to panic-sell, potentially at a big loss, after making a profit off those who can't afford a mortgage for so many years. Fantastic Neko. Why not just stop people buying-to-let? It's completely against all laws of justice that in a situation where ordinary people can't buy one home, some can buy up a street and then rent them out at inflated profits... Better than hoping to fuck over those who've lick-spittled themselves onto the housing ladder despite all obstacles! I would sincerely love that, but in truth I can't see it happening. I would love a law that limited people to owning two houses/properties tops*, thus freeing up a huge portion of the property market (over a million houses, in fact, across the country) - but what government would dare do it? Like I said, a crash aside, it'd take something drastic - and that just wouldn't happen. * Two properties on the grounds that some people just won't be able to afford a house, or won't find one where they need it - there'll always be a need for rented accomodation, if it's a reasonable price (see students, for instance). Also, a parent will sometimes buy a property for their child in their own name, which is also fair IMO |
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