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Post by Golden_Boy™ on Apr 17, 2007 19:30:27 GMT -1
Nah you can't leave out spud guns...
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Post by Dr LuKas on Apr 17, 2007 19:32:21 GMT -1
No need for them if you have Bop Guns, hey where's my mothership by the way GB!?
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Post by Golden_Boy™ on Apr 17, 2007 19:34:53 GMT -1
Spud guns are important in todays society though.
Not wanting to change the subject of this thread as it's raising some varied good points; Your mothership is still outside Tesco's car park near Mothercare as it ran out of juice, sorry mate.
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Post by Dr LuKas on Apr 17, 2007 19:38:17 GMT -1
Funk Juice!? YOu haven't really got my mothership have you ;D It can never run out of juice.  |
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Post by Golden_Boy™ on Apr 17, 2007 19:41:12 GMT -1
Dammit Lucas, you sussed me out  |
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Post by Sterland (S4E) on Apr 17, 2007 19:41:30 GMT -1
True Spozz, but it IS a different culture over there. They have grown up with guns and will continue to live with guns. A lot more than 99% of Americans live with or around guns and there isn't a problem. Some use them for hunting, some as a deterrent etc. It is a very small percentage that use them for crime, and even when used for crime there is the added deterrent that chances are you pull one you may get shot yourself..
There is always going to be a nutcase, Dunblane gave us ours.. Columbine started something but it is the responsibility of the legitimate AND reponsible gun owners to reign this in. The constitution will never change, but pressure could be put on organisations such as the NRA to try to educate people on the responsibilty a little more..
As bigger tragedy as this is, you can guarantee that somewhere in the US this month a kid will kill one of his friends by showing him the revolver or 9mm that his Dad keeps under his bed to protect his family..
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Post by gt on Apr 17, 2007 19:43:40 GMT -1
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Post by Ninja Squirrel on Apr 17, 2007 19:47:02 GMT -1
well its in the constitution that they all have the right to bear arms and that seems to be prized more than the lives of thier children. Boogles the mind really, it may be that I'm British and a bit stiff upper lipped about the whole thing but come on how many more American Kids will they bury before something is done about it. The second amendment actually says that all "well drilled militia" have the right to bear guns. Last I was aware, ordinary citizens aren't well-drilled militia - but I guess it's up to the law-makers to interpret it correctly  But the point I was trying to make is that some Americans seem to take some 200 year old law far more seriously than the lives of their children. |
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Post by officergroyman on Apr 18, 2007 13:54:08 GMT -1
I say there should be no guns but BOP GUNS. or those BIG GIANT FOAM QUARTER STAFFS............those are bad ass. |
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Post by officergroyman on Apr 18, 2007 13:56:39 GMT -1
The second amendment actually says that all "well drilled militia" have the right to bear guns. Last I was aware, ordinary citizens aren't well-drilled militia - but I guess it's up to the law-makers to interpret it correctly But the point I was trying to make is that some Americans seem to take some 200 year old law far more seriously than the lives of their children. guns & kids don't mix........................ sort of like guns and crazy people.  |
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 18, 2007 13:59:47 GMT -1
I say there should be no guns but BOP GUNS. or those BIG GIANT FOAM QUARTER STAFFS............those are bad ass. not to mention water pistols, super soakers, all that sorta thing... and hot hot ladies in crisp white t-shirts... hell yeah! hmm, yep, anyway. tragic thread. tragic stuff. etc. |
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Post by officergroyman on Apr 18, 2007 14:04:55 GMT -1
well its in the constitution that they all have the right to bear arms and that seems to be prized more than the lives of thier children. Boogles the mind really, it may be that I'm British and a bit stiff upper lipped about the whole thing but come on how many more American Kids will they bury before something is done about it. The second amendment actually says that all "well drilled militia" have the right to bear guns. Last I was aware, ordinary citizens aren't well-drilled militia - but I guess it's up to the law-makers to interpret it correctly Not quite what it says Neko, here;s the actual text! 2nd Ammendment:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. |
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Post by officergroyman on Apr 18, 2007 14:07:19 GMT -1
To Be Honest, the more I think about it I think Lucas has it all right. Blast off this rock and colonize another planet where only Funk, Love & Football shall rule supreme.
Who's down with that!!! ;D
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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 18, 2007 14:07:28 GMT -1
Well drilled, well regulated, the militia was the point I was making!  |
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 18, 2007 14:10:21 GMT -1
Not quite what it says Neko, here;s the actual text! 2nd Ammendment:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Ummm... that's not even a grammatical sentence though! |
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Post by officergroyman on Apr 18, 2007 14:19:50 GMT -1
Well drilled, well regulated, the militia was the point I was making! you sayed *drilled*  agreed anyone who wants to own a gun should definately be required to undergo a rigorous background check, a full psych eval. and should be required to pass firearm training. However, when the ammendment was written the reasoning behind it was that a well armed militia was required & that peoples rights to own a gun could not be infringed upon. The debated idea here was that the founding fathers didn't want only a militia with the general populace being unarmed thus allowing for some idiot to come in and take over & use the militia / armed forces to take over the masses. Would the world be a better place without guns yeah probably, without war definately, without hate damn straight. |
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Post by officergroyman on Apr 18, 2007 14:21:15 GMT -1
Not quite what it says Neko, here;s the actual text! 2nd Ammendment:A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Ummm... that's not even a grammatical sentence though! it's only an ammendment to the Constitution.  |
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 18, 2007 14:27:16 GMT -1
it's only an ammendment to the Constitution. what's the full sentence then? as amended? |
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Post by officergroyman on Apr 18, 2007 14:34:00 GMT -1
it's only an ammendment to the Constitution. what's the full sentence then? as amended? No my bray THAT's it. the 2nd amendment is part of what is called the Bill of Rights. Bill of Rights Amendment ICongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Amendment IIA well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Amendment IIINo soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. Amendment IVThe right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Amendment VNo person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Amendment VIIn all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense. Amendment VIIIn suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law. Amendment VIIIExcessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. Amendment IXThe enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment XThe powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people. |
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 18, 2007 14:40:20 GMT -1
what's the full sentence then? as amended? No my bray THAT's it. the 2nd amendment is part of what is called the Bill of Rights. Bill of Rights Amendment ICongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Amendment IIA well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. <SNIP> Okay, but you see what I'm saying about the grammar don't you? Amendment 1 there is clear. Amendment 2 is anything but clear - are there two separate points? I can understand the confusion. Still I'll return to my contemplation of super soakers and wet t-shirt competitions, far more pleasing and less confusing...!  |
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