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Post by Pete the Wolf on Jul 29, 2008 20:39:04 GMT -1
Trouble is imo they're all the same and spout the same bs Politics - where someone promises something, loses the election and criticises their opponent for doing what they would have done anyway as the worst idea ever
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Jul 29, 2008 20:59:37 GMT -1
Gordon Brown is a cock-end
And that is the end of the matter!
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Post by PureOldGold on Jul 29, 2008 21:01:51 GMT -1
How he got into 10 Downing Street without the public actually voting him in, is beyond me. He was pretty good at his old job though, he should go back.
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Post by derbian on Jul 29, 2008 21:05:07 GMT -1
Well theres the arguement is that u vote for the party not the leader of the party altho i dont think thats right
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Jul 29, 2008 21:07:20 GMT -1
How he got into 10 Downing Street without the public actually voting him in, is beyond me. He was pretty good at his old job though, he should go back. he should go back, keep going back, back a bit more, keep going, keep going, back a bit more....til he reaches a cliff and then keep going back! ;D ;D
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Post by PureOldGold on Jul 29, 2008 21:09:15 GMT -1
How he got into 10 Downing Street without the public actually voting him in, is beyond me. He was pretty good at his old job though, he should go back. he should go back, keep going back, back a bit more, keep going, keep going, back a bit more....til he reaches a cliff and then keep going back! ;D ;D LOL I wouldn't wish that on anyone, even good old Gordan.
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Jul 29, 2008 21:10:34 GMT -1
he should go back, keep going back, back a bit more, keep going, keep going, back a bit more....til he reaches a cliff and then keep going back! ;D ;D LOL I wouldn't wish that on anyone, even good old Gordan. I'm not quite so generous! ;D
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Post by ancientblade on Jul 30, 2008 10:18:46 GMT -1
How he got into 10 Downing Street without the public actually voting him in, is beyond me. He was pretty good at his old job though, he should go back. When John Major replaced Margaret Thatcher he did not hold an election for 18 months or so. Similarly when Jim Callaghan replaced Harold Wilson, there was no general election, and I don't think there was one when Alec Douglas Hulme replaced Harold MacMillan. The way Gordon Brown acquired his position is not unusual.
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Post by ancientblade on Jul 30, 2008 10:39:08 GMT -1
There is much about this government that I dislike, but I don't think we should pretend that their predecessors were up to much either. ...and their predecessors were hardly brilliant either - remind me who they were again? Sure, you can keep looking at the past, or you can look at the parties now. At the end of the day, it isn't Thatcher trying to lead the Tories to power now, and I wish people could get their heads round that. I'm not saying Cameron is the answer to all our solutions; far from it. I just wish people would consider parties as they stand on their respective merits, not on what people who stood under the same banner did well over a decade ago. Parties are like personalities. Their past is very much part of them and it is what shapes their attitudes to the future. I frequently change who I vote for because I do make an assessment based on what I see at the time. I voted Conservative in 1979. And I have also voted for the other two main parties at various times. But what I see at the time is also influenced by the past. After all, people should learn from their mistakes and the only way you can do that is by considering past actions! In the 1980s and early 1990s, the Conservatives won elections almost by default as Labour were not seen as fit to govern. As I see it at the moment the same thing has been happening since 1997, but the other way round. And I still see it as being the case. I do not trust the Conservatves, and I certainly have not forgiven them for what they did in their 18 years of power. They have not yet done anything to show me that they have changed. Significant numbers in their party still want to return to Thatcher type policies. But you don't hear many Labour politicians demanding a return to hard left politics. They have changed very much since the 1970s and 1980s. However, I accept that things have gone awry. Some of it is the government's fault. Some of it is beyond their control. But, I feel they have messed up through incompetence. |Strangely perhaps, that seems better to me than messing up through deliberately vindictive policies.
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Post by redwhine on Aug 18, 2008 0:25:56 GMT -1
How he got into 10 Downing Street without the public actually voting him in, is beyond me. He was pretty good at his old job though, he should go back. When John Major replaced Margaret Thatcher he did not hold an election for 18 months or so. Similarly when Jim Callaghan replaced Harold Wilson, there was no general election, and I don't think there was one when Alec Douglas Hulme replaced Harold MacMillan. The way Gordon Brown acquired his position is not unusual. No Prime Minister has ever been voted in. The only vote is for your constituancy MP. The leader of the party with the most MPs then becomes PM and selects his/her cabinet. The fact that the leadership has changed other than by a Gen Election makes no difference to that.
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Aug 26, 2008 8:42:59 GMT -1
fair point....
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Post by PASTIE on Aug 26, 2008 22:30:00 GMT -1
I think he's great, final nail in the coffin to get rid of this shit arse plastic socialist government. O for a real socialist government. New Labour was a shallow disappointment and whilst Brown seemed the good side behind Blair's cynicism, and whilst I refuse to accept that he is incompetent, it must not be forgotten that he was intrinsically part of this machine that suggested much but delivered only dissatisfaction...
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Post by PASTIE on Aug 26, 2008 22:30:45 GMT -1
When Labour took over from the Tories, the treasury was at least in the black. He sold off our gold at ridiculously low levels, steered the country into huge debt, repeatedly fiddled with and changed his "golden rules" after it became clear he couldn't keep to them, borrowed endlessly without any sign of getting much for that money, and led the populace into a collective £1trillion+ debt, on which he built his economy. You can't build a nation's economy on debt; anyone with half a brain could see problems looming on the horizon! The financial mess he's presiding over so badly now is of his own making; no, he can't control global oil prices, but he can do something about encouraging ridiculous amounts of personal debt and ever-increasing borrowing. That £1tri was gonna have to come from somewhere! His BS inflationary measures weren't exactly his finest moment either I wouldn't say he had 10 sound years as chancellor; he was helped massively by a global market boom and a flood of cheap products from the far east - his actual policies were awful, and we're beginning to pay for them now. It depends how you define the treasury as being in the black when Labour took office! The public sector borrowing requirement for 1996-7 was £11.2 billion. An economy built on huge debt might be undesireable, but it is certainly nothing new. The Conservatives did it for years. They also ensured that we had huge balance of trade defecits because they shut down large chunks of our manufacturing base to the point that we hardly make anything anymore in this country. A direct consequence of that was the double digit interest rates that we suffered for years. Also we were pretty irresponsible in the way that we squandered a golden opportunity presented to us by North Sea oil. Instead of laying the foundations of a secure economy, the revenues from this payed for 3 million plus people to remain jobless. I don't know whether or not Gordon Brown sold off our gold cheaply, I'll have to take your word on that one. But it wasn't him who sold off our public utilities, with the consequence that many of them are now foreign owned. And it wasn't him who closed all our coal mines. And yet those were two actions that are now causing him (and us!) significant problems in that we now do not have control over meeting our energy needs, and can be held to ransom over the price of it. This has ensured that the rise in oil prices has affected us more than it should have done. There is much about this government that I dislike, but I don't think we should pretend that their predecessors were up to much either. So nice to read some sense.
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Post by PASTIE on Aug 26, 2008 22:31:51 GMT -1
There is much about this government that I dislike, but I don't think we should pretend that their predecessors were up to much either. ...and their predecessors were hardly brilliant either - remind me who they were again? Sure, you can keep looking at the past, or you can look at the parties now. At the end of the day, it isn't Thatcher trying to lead the Tories to power now, and I wish people could get their heads round that. I'm not saying Cameron is the answer to all our solutions; far from it. I just wish people would consider parties as they stand on their respective merits, not on what people who stood under the same banner did well over a decade ago. I understand and agree, but I see no merits in Cameron...
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Post by PASTIE on Aug 26, 2008 22:35:48 GMT -1
...and their predecessors were hardly brilliant either - remind me who they were again? Sure, you can keep looking at the past, or you can look at the parties now. At the end of the day, it isn't Thatcher trying to lead the Tories to power now, and I wish people could get their heads round that. I'm not saying Cameron is the answer to all our solutions; far from it. I just wish people would consider parties as they stand on their respective merits, not on what people who stood under the same banner did well over a decade ago. Parties are like personalities. Their past is very much part of them and it is what shapes their attitudes to the future. I frequently change who I vote for because I do make an assessment based on what I see at the time. I voted Conservative in 1979. And I have also voted for the other two main parties at various times. But what I see at the time is also influenced by the past. After all, people should learn from their mistakes and the only way you can do that is by considering past actions! In the 1980s and early 1990s, the Conservatives won elections almost by default as Labour were not seen as fit to govern. As I see it at the moment the same thing has been happening since 1997, but the other way round. And I still see it as being the case. I do not trust the Conservatves, and I certainly have not forgiven them for what they did in their 18 years of power. They have not yet done anything to show me that they have changed. Significant numbers in their party still want to return to Thatcher type policies. But you don't hear many Labour politicians demanding a return to hard left politics. They have changed very much since the 1970s and 1980s. However, I accept that things have gone awry. Some of it is the government's fault. Some of it is beyond their control. But, I feel they have messed up through incompetence. |Strangely perhaps, that seems better to me than messing up through deliberately vindictive policies. More good sense. Once upon a time I would have voted Labour for the sake of misdirected good intentions over the Tories' well directed bad intentions. These days, I distrust the intentions of Labour, but my attitude to the Tories remains unchanged and i see them as far more dangerous.
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Post by PASTIE on Aug 26, 2008 22:38:31 GMT -1
*oops, talking to myself skulks away*
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Aug 27, 2008 8:17:16 GMT -1
i don't vote, cos there is no point....
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Post by Lollipop on Aug 27, 2008 19:29:37 GMT -1
i don't vote, cos there is no point.... I don't vote either
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Post by Dr LuKas on Aug 27, 2008 19:32:14 GMT -1
I like Gordon Strachan
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Post by Lollipop on Aug 27, 2008 19:33:03 GMT -1
I like Gordon Strachan Me too!
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