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Post by URRZZZ!!! on Jul 26, 2008 11:44:54 GMT -1
I feel like the fact he is so unpopular says too much about politics today. He doesn't have the charisma and charm of his predecessor Tony Blair, or his successor David Cameron. However I feel I can trust him more than I can trust the other 2, I don't get the impression he's lying to us. The whole 10p tax thing was a horrible blunder but compare 1 PM mistake to about 10 sound years as Chancellor and his record is still not shocking. It seems to me that the electorate and media prefer style over substance, and that can't necessarily be a good thing for the country.
Saying all this, I've fallen desperately out of touch with politics and the news since going to India and university, 2 years ago I was far more on the ball.
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jul 26, 2008 11:52:23 GMT -1
I love him,he has shown that Labour are still useless gits after they hid it behind Blairs false cheesy smile.
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Post by URRZZZ!!! on Jul 26, 2008 11:55:12 GMT -1
In the same way the Tories were exposed under Major.
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jul 26, 2008 14:10:26 GMT -1
NO
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jul 26, 2008 15:39:14 GMT -1
compare 1 PM mistake to about 10 sound years as Chancellor When Labour took over from the Tories, the treasury was at least in the black. He sold off our gold at ridiculously low levels, steered the country into huge debt, repeatedly fiddled with and changed his "golden rules" after it became clear he couldn't keep to them, borrowed endlessly without any sign of getting much for that money, and led the populace into a collective £1trillion+ debt, on which he built his economy. You can't build a nation's economy on debt; anyone with half a brain could see problems looming on the horizon! The financial mess he's presiding over so badly now is of his own making; no, he can't control global oil prices, but he can do something about encouraging ridiculous amounts of personal debt and ever-increasing borrowing. That £1tri was gonna have to come from somewhere! His BS inflationary measures weren't exactly his finest moment either I wouldn't say he had 10 sound years as chancellor; he was helped massively by a global market boom and a flood of cheap products from the far east - his actual policies were awful, and we're beginning to pay for them now.
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jul 26, 2008 15:47:10 GMT -1
is he that scottish cook thats always swearing...?
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jul 26, 2008 15:56:34 GMT -1
Neko is pretty much spot on. Labour,noy just Brown are to blame for the country being a mess. They just haven't coped well with the global situation with anything. How much do you think the war on terror has cost us? We shouldn't really be in Iraq or Afghanistan. We paid off our last payment to America over the lend lease agreement from WW2 during his tenure and we still have no money. Where has it gone? I could give my thoughts but some will find them controversial. If you take the money the war has cost us just to follow America we would be in a far better position but i feel that would've been wasted too. Labour did what they are doing now last time they were in. That is how the sometimes hapless Tories stayed in power for 18 years,cos folk remember what a mess the country was in after their last try at running it.
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jul 26, 2008 15:59:01 GMT -1
i blame neko, for not informing us earlier....
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Post by derbian on Jul 26, 2008 19:25:07 GMT -1
Unfortunately imo he was always going to be unpopular for the simple reason he's part of New Labour who from wat i have seen r more elitist and capitalist than the tories (which i previously thought was impossible). Also Cameron for me is not charming nor charismatic he is a smarmy bully who has got his head so far up his own arse i can never tell where he actually begins or ends.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jul 28, 2008 18:37:54 GMT -1
i blame neko, for not informing us earlier.... I've said it many times on this site! Don't blame me just 'cause you were illiterate back then, hippy-ferret
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jul 28, 2008 18:41:27 GMT -1
two people have called me a hippy this week *gets noose...*
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Post by Kentucky Kid on Jul 28, 2008 18:46:08 GMT -1
shut it hippy
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Jul 28, 2008 18:48:45 GMT -1
"This is an Outrage"
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jul 28, 2008 20:16:56 GMT -1
two people have called me a hippy this week *gets noose...* I didnt................i called you a Troll
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Post by Mrs H on Jul 29, 2008 13:51:42 GMT -1
Unfortunately imo he was always going to be unpopular for the simple reason he's part of New Labour who from wat i have seen r more elitist and capitalist than the tories (which i previously thought was impossible). Also Cameron for me is not charming nor charismatic he is a smarmy bully who has got his head so far up his own arse i can never tell where he actually begins or ends. Exactly. He was set up to fail by Blair the minute he came into office. The trouble is Blair's unpopularity seems marginal now because of Brown's tenure. Makes me wonder whether the Blair 'PR machine' is still working!!!
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Post by HURLOCK on Jul 29, 2008 18:28:58 GMT -1
I think he's great, final nail in the coffin to get rid of this shit arse plastic socialist government.
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Post by ancientblade on Jul 29, 2008 19:47:52 GMT -1
compare 1 PM mistake to about 10 sound years as Chancellor When Labour took over from the Tories, the treasury was at least in the black. He sold off our gold at ridiculously low levels, steered the country into huge debt, repeatedly fiddled with and changed his "golden rules" after it became clear he couldn't keep to them, borrowed endlessly without any sign of getting much for that money, and led the populace into a collective £1trillion+ debt, on which he built his economy. You can't build a nation's economy on debt; anyone with half a brain could see problems looming on the horizon! The financial mess he's presiding over so badly now is of his own making; no, he can't control global oil prices, but he can do something about encouraging ridiculous amounts of personal debt and ever-increasing borrowing. That £1tri was gonna have to come from somewhere! His BS inflationary measures weren't exactly his finest moment either I wouldn't say he had 10 sound years as chancellor; he was helped massively by a global market boom and a flood of cheap products from the far east - his actual policies were awful, and we're beginning to pay for them now. It depends how you define the treasury as being in the black when Labour took office! The public sector borrowing requirement for 1996-7 was £11.2 billion. An economy built on huge debt might be undesireable, but it is certainly nothing new. The Conservatives did it for years. They also ensured that we had huge balance of trade defecits because they shut down large chunks of our manufacturing base to the point that we hardly make anything anymore in this country. A direct consequence of that was the double digit interest rates that we suffered for years. Also we were pretty irresponsible in the way that we squandered a golden opportunity presented to us by North Sea oil. Instead of laying the foundations of a secure economy, the revenues from this payed for 3 million plus people to remain jobless. I don't know whether or not Gordon Brown sold off our gold cheaply, I'll have to take your word on that one. But it wasn't him who sold off our public utilities, with the consequence that many of them are now foreign owned. And it wasn't him who closed all our coal mines. And yet those were two actions that are now causing him (and us!) significant problems in that we now do not have control over meeting our energy needs, and can be held to ransom over the price of it. This has ensured that the rise in oil prices has affected us more than it should have done. There is much about this government that I dislike, but I don't think we should pretend that their predecessors were up to much either.
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Post by derbian on Jul 29, 2008 20:12:52 GMT -1
I think he's great, final nail in the coffin to get rid of this shit arse plastic socialist government. Socialist? Ur having a laff ;D
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jul 29, 2008 20:24:37 GMT -1
There is much about this government that I dislike, but I don't think we should pretend that their predecessors were up to much either. ...and their predecessors were hardly brilliant either - remind me who they were again? Sure, you can keep looking at the past, or you can look at the parties now. At the end of the day, it isn't Thatcher trying to lead the Tories to power now, and I wish people could get their heads round that. I'm not saying Cameron is the answer to all our solutions; far from it. I just wish people would consider parties as they stand on their respective merits, not on what people who stood under the same banner did well over a decade ago.
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Post by derbian on Jul 29, 2008 20:26:35 GMT -1
Trouble is imo they're all the same and spout the same bs
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