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Post by Mrs H on Feb 14, 2007 8:39:13 GMT -1
Children in the UK have the worst quality of life out of the world's 21 richest countries. A United Nations report puts us bottom of the list based on things like child poverty and binge drinking. Netherlands and Sweden came top.
Are we really that shit?
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Post by Neko Bazu on Feb 14, 2007 8:43:30 GMT -1
In a word, yes.
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Post by Mrs H on Feb 14, 2007 8:46:22 GMT -1
Fair enough.
What disturbs me about this report is that of the 21 richest countries we come bottom with regards to child poverty. We're soon going to be in Dickensian days again!
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Post by Arnold on Feb 14, 2007 8:46:59 GMT -1
Always new it.
We are rapidly going down the pan and you only need to walk the streets at night to see it in its full glory.
Personally I feel a lot has to do with traditional family values having gone down the pan. Hardly anyone has a family meal anymore and kids eat in front of the TV and generally get to do what they want. This has lead to a fear of authority as they have never got to understand it properly due to a lack of proper parenting and being bought up on the streets where education comes not from peers but siblings.
Bring back National Service I say.
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Post by Mrs H on Feb 14, 2007 8:50:35 GMT -1
Always new it. We are rapidly going down the pan and you only need to walk the streets at night to see it in its full glory. Personally I feel a lot has to do with traditional family values having gone down the pan. Hardly anyone has a family meal anymore and kids eat in front of the TV and generally get to do what they want. This has lead to a fear of authority as they have never got to understand it properly due to a lack of proper parenting and being bought up on the streets where education comes not from peers but siblings. Bring back National Service I say. I agree about the parenting skills Arnie. Some of these parents are incapable of looking after themselves never mind children.
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Post by Arnold on Feb 14, 2007 8:54:32 GMT -1
Well they just dont care and it makes my blood boil. Its always someone elses fault and I know some people personally who have had kids just so they dont have to work!
These kids are going to get no education, no jobs as we have some educated and very willing people from northern europe who are prepared to work hard for that amount, and no prospects. This will lead them into crime which the rest of us will have to be on the end of and pay for.
This is one of the things I have a really big personal issue with as I see it on a daily basis and what it is already doing.
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Post by HURLOCK on Feb 14, 2007 8:54:56 GMT -1
I think there is a certain minority that lets us down, they should not be allowed to breed. As they're incapable of looking after themselves let alone a child!
You only have to look in the press to see what kids are getting up too, or even worst still the ones that are being abused by their parents!
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Post by Mrs H on Feb 14, 2007 8:58:54 GMT -1
Well they just dont care and it makes my blood boil. Its always someone elses fault and I know some people personally who have had kids just so they dont have to work! These kids are going to get no education, no jobs as we have some educated and very willing people from northern europe who are prepared to work hard for that amount, and no prospects. This will lead them into crime which the rest of us will have to be on the end of and pay for. This is one of the things I have a really big personal issue with as I see it on a daily basis and what it is already doing. Not about kids really but my friend who lives with her mum at the moment is to be made homeless in 7 weeks because her mum is moving to the coast. She went to the council to declare herself homeless but she did meet any of the criteria to be declared as "homeless". If she'd been pregnant, unemployed or even an ethnic minority she would have been offered a house straight away. She's now going to have to pay double the amount of rent to a private landlord because apparently not having a home doesn't neccessarily mean you're homeless! I hate that we treat honest, hardworking people in this way.
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Post by Mrs H on Feb 14, 2007 9:01:34 GMT -1
I think there is a certain minority that lets us down, they should not be allowed to breed. As they're incapable of looking after themselves let alone a child! You only have to look in the press to see what kids are getting up too, or even worst still the ones that are being abused by their parents! It's not going to get any better when the discipline levels like ASBO's are worn as a badge of honour.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Feb 14, 2007 9:02:05 GMT -1
That basically sums the country up, Mrs H. Yes, we really are that crap
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Post by HURLOCK on Feb 14, 2007 9:02:46 GMT -1
Well they just dont care and it makes my blood boil. Its always someone elses fault and I know some people personally who have had kids just so they dont have to work! These kids are going to get no education, no jobs as we have some educated and very willing people from northern europe who are prepared to work hard for that amount, and no prospects. This will lead them into crime which the rest of us will have to be on the end of and pay for. This is one of the things I have a really big personal issue with as I see it on a daily basis and what it is already doing. Not about kids really but my friend who lives with her mum at the moment is to be made homeless in 7 weeks because her mum is moving to the coast. She went to the council to declare herself homeless but she did meet any of the criteria to be declared as "homeless". If she'd been pregnant, unemployed or even an ethnic minority she would have been offered a house straight away. She's now going to have to pay double the amount of rent to a private landlord because apparently not having a home doesn't neccessarily mean you're homeless! I hate that we treat honest, hardworking people in this way. That is a sad fact of life, however there are lots of schemes out there to help people in your mate predicament - part buys etc., If she has the means to pay then thats the way it should be though
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Post by thales on Feb 14, 2007 9:02:55 GMT -1
Ha! Ha! think we're 9th
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Post by HURLOCK on Feb 14, 2007 9:04:31 GMT -1
I think there is a certain minority that lets us down, they should not be allowed to breed. As they're incapable of looking after themselves let alone a child! You only have to look in the press to see what kids are getting up too, or even worst still the ones that are being abused by their parents! It's not going to get any better when the discipline levels like ASBO's are worn as a badge of honour. I know and what I really hate about it is that my kids will grow up and maybe go to school with peoples kids that I would not be seen dead with! If I can afford it I'll pay for their education
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Post by spurrsgirl on Feb 14, 2007 9:05:32 GMT -1
It's shocking this country is labelled like that. I do think the majority of us know how to behave and bring up our children but things are all to easily given out to those looking for the easy way out. If they had to go out and work for what they got like decent people then they would think otherwise about their irresponsible ways.
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Post by Mrs H on Feb 14, 2007 9:05:51 GMT -1
Not about kids really but my friend who lives with her mum at the moment is to be made homeless in 7 weeks because her mum is moving to the coast. She went to the council to declare herself homeless but she did meet any of the criteria to be declared as "homeless". If she'd been pregnant, unemployed or even an ethnic minority she would have been offered a house straight away. She's now going to have to pay double the amount of rent to a private landlord because apparently not having a home doesn't neccessarily mean you're homeless! I hate that we treat honest, hardworking people in this way. That is a sad fact of life, however there are lots of schemes out there to help people in your mate predicament - part buys etc., If she has the means to pay then thats the way it should be though So we punish people who work? She earns minimum wage working 12 hour shifts in a care home and technically she would be better off quitting her job so she can get benefits and a house. It sucks.
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Post by thales on Feb 14, 2007 9:06:58 GMT -1
Ha! Ha! think we're 9th Ireland has been ranked ninth out of 21 industrialised countries in a report assessing the well-being of children. UNICEF said the assessment looked at 40 separate indicators to gauge the quality of the lives of children in the majority of economically advanced nations. But the study found there was no consistent relationship between a country's wealth and a child's quality of life. AdvertisementNorthern European countries dominated the top half of the table, with child well-being at its highest in the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark and Finland. The United Kingdom came bottom of the list. The study found Britain lagged behind on key measures of poverty and deprivation, health and safety, relationships, risk-taking and young people's own sense of well-being. Britain received better ratings for education but languished in the bottom third for all other measures, giving it the lowest overall placing, behind the United States.worse than usa.................................
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Post by Mrs H on Feb 14, 2007 9:08:39 GMT -1
It's not going to get any better when the discipline levels like ASBO's are worn as a badge of honour. I know and what I really hate about it is that my kids will grow up and maybe go to school with peoples kids that I would not be seen dead with! If I can afford it I'll pay for their education You're not better off sending your kids to private school. They have problems just as big but in a different manner. Kids that have parents that work 60 hours a week and are emotionally neglected that act up to get mummy and daddy's attention. Drugs are rife in these schools because the kids can actually afford them. This country has seriously maladjusted people.
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Post by HURLOCK on Feb 14, 2007 9:14:25 GMT -1
I know and what I really hate about it is that my kids will grow up and maybe go to school with peoples kids that I would not be seen dead with! If I can afford it I'll pay for their education You're not better off sending your kids to private school. They have problems just as big but in a different manner. Kids that have parents that work 60 hours a week and are emotionally neglected that act up to get mummy and daddy's attention. Drugs are rife in these schools because the kids can actually afford them. This country has seriously maladjusted people. My parents where teachers and my mother worked in both sectors: The difference in the private sector is that children who would normally fail, because they don't get the guidance etc., get the results that are really just basic! And no my kids would speak properly, know how to behave as opposed to mixing with scum! There is a saying if you lie down with a dog you get fleas. Even the good grammar schools are now rife with scum!
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Post by HURLOCK on Feb 14, 2007 9:16:42 GMT -1
That is a sad fact of life, however there are lots of schemes out there to help people in your mate predicament - part buys etc., If she has the means to pay then thats the way it should be though So we punish people who work? She earns minimum wage working 12 hour shifts in a care home and technically she would be better off quitting her job so she can get benefits and a house. It sucks. I said if she had the means then she should pay. I know it sucks but these sort of jobs don't pay - she need to find a sugar daddy ;D
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Post by Mrs H on Feb 14, 2007 9:17:39 GMT -1
You're not better off sending your kids to private school. They have problems just as big but in a different manner. Kids that have parents that work 60 hours a week and are emotionally neglected that act up to get mummy and daddy's attention. Drugs are rife in these schools because the kids can actually afford them. This country has seriously maladjusted people. My parents where teachers and my mother worked in both sectors: The difference in the private sector is that children who would normally fail, because they don't get the guidance etc., get the results that are really just basic! And no my kids would speak properly, know how to behave as opposed to mixing with scum! There is a saying if you lie down with a dog you get fleas. Even the good grammar schools are now rife with scum! Not sure about the whole "if you lie down with dogs" thing Hurls. I think it definitely depends on your parents and how you were brought up and what kind of character you have. I went to one of the roughest schools in Sheffield and had to deal with a lot of shit but I always had the support of my family.
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