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Post by jh1980 on Feb 8, 2007 9:51:14 GMT -1
Tax,tax,tax. Its all the bastards think about . How to tax us all into our graves. ......How to pay for essential public services? or perhaps you'd rather shell out for private healthcare, private education for your kids and a private army to sort out your security needs? (mischievous, moi?) |
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Post by Dr LuKas on Feb 8, 2007 9:51:31 GMT -1
If it's true of course I'll sign, but is this really the whole truth? How do you mean?  ? You suspect Forzas motives??? It just seems too ridiculous, I know the government is crazy but surely they're not this crazy. I'm only hearing one side of the story you see. |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Feb 8, 2007 9:55:02 GMT -1
I'm not a vehicle driver and I've already signed it!
That fuck the economy horribly; think of all those delivery lorries and the miles they do! (Increased costs for them = increased cost for supermarkets = increased cost for consumer)
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 8, 2007 9:57:36 GMT -1
I'm not a vehicle driver and I've already signed it! That fuck the economy horribly; think of all those delivery lorries and the miles they do! (Increased costs for them = increased cost for supermarkets = increased cost for consumer) Well done Neko...  Perhaps they should put freight back on the railways then? You have to look at the bigger picture. Enjoy it while it lasts, you won't be able to get your Spanish strawberries in midwinter when the fuel runs out! ;D Have I become a Green?!  *reaches for disembowelling sword* |
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Post by Remember Jesus on Feb 8, 2007 9:58:31 GMT -1
Tax,tax,tax. Its all the bastards think about . How to tax us all into our graves. ......How to pay for essential public services? or perhaps you'd rather shell out for private healthcare, private education for your kids and a private army to sort out your security needs? (mischievous, moi?) I am in a healthcare scheme that covers me and my family. Billions are wasted by the people who run the NHS instead of putting the money into frontline services. Private education? No thanks. Teachers nowadays learn the kids how to pass exams so they can get up the 'league table' theyt don't educate them. I don't mind funding the armed forces , police or firemen. How many new civil service jobs have been created since 'new labour' came to power? Yes jules you are being mischievous  |
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Post by Arnold on Feb 8, 2007 9:59:42 GMT -1
This is all to do with the smoking ban and nothing else.
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 8, 2007 10:06:19 GMT -1
I am in a healthcare scheme that covers me and my family. Billions are wasted by the people who run the NHS instead of putting the money into frontline services. Does this mean you'd like to opt-out and watch state healthcare wither (along with the prospects for health of those who need it most?) Kerching! Taxes please! Yup well what are you going to do about that, other than complain? Not having a go at you personally, just making the point. Kerching again! More taxes please! There has been a large increase in public sector employment since 1997, yes. Some of it has led to a marked improvement in local / national services, other bits (like the Home Office) have clearly not. I may be being mischievous, but I have a point, don't I? |
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Post by Remember Jesus on Feb 8, 2007 10:11:51 GMT -1
I am in a healthcare scheme that covers me and my family. Billions are wasted by the people who run the NHS instead of putting the money into frontline services. Does this mean you'd like to opt-out and watch state healthcare wither (along with the prospects for health of those who need it most?) Kerching! Taxes please! Yup well what are you going to do about that, other than complain? Not having a go at you personally, just making the point. Kerching again! More taxes please! There has been a large increase in public sector employment since 1997, yes. Some of it has led to a marked improvement in local / national services, other bits (like the Home Office) have clearly not. I may be being mischievous, but I have a point, don't I? Marked improvement? You are having a laugh. Council tax increases above inflation every year and still they can't empty my bin every week. NHS: Fact there are more managers employed by them than doctors. How many managers can diagnose a patients problem? I don't mind paying tax. It's a way of life. Just wish it was used in a better way. |
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Post by addicted2venos on Feb 8, 2007 10:12:01 GMT -1
Commie!! I am in a healthcare scheme that covers me and my family. Billions are wasted by the people who run the NHS instead of putting the money into frontline services. Does this mean you'd like to opt-out and watch state healthcare wither (along with the prospects for health of those who need it most?) Kerching! Taxes please! Yup well what are you going to do about that, other than complain? Not having a go at you personally, just making the point. Kerching again! More taxes please! There has been a large increase in public sector employment since 1997, yes. Some of it has led to a marked improvement in local / national services, other bits (like the Home Office) have clearly not. I may be being mischievous, but I have a point, don't I? |
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 8, 2007 10:12:30 GMT -1
This is all to do with the smoking ban and nothing else. Tomi man you know I respect you but that smacks of excessive cynicism bordering on the paranoid! Btw... I doubt that much money will be lost via the smoking ban, at least not for a while. 13 million smokers won't quit in the blink of an eyelid, even if they wanted to!!! |
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Post by Dr LuKas on Feb 8, 2007 10:12:52 GMT -1
OH NO!!!!  NOT THE SPANISH STRAWBERRIES!!!!!!!
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Post by Remember Jesus on Feb 8, 2007 10:13:52 GMT -1
Commie!! Does this mean you'd like to opt-out and watch state healthcare wither (along with the prospects for health of those who need it most?) Kerching! Taxes please! Yup well what are you going to do about that, other than complain? Not having a go at you personally, just making the point. Kerching again! More taxes please! There has been a large increase in public sector employment since 1997, yes. Some of it has led to a marked improvement in local / national services, other bits (like the Home Office) have clearly not. I may be being mischievous, but I have a point, don't I? lol |
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Post by Arnold on Feb 8, 2007 10:14:41 GMT -1
This is all to do with the smoking ban and nothing else. Tomi man you know I respect you but that smacks of excessive cynicism bordering on the paranoid! Btw... I doubt that much money will be lost via the smoking ban, at least not for a while. 13 million smokers won't quit in the blink of an eyelid, even if they wanted to!!! No but a lot of tax comes from it and if that starts dwindling it has to come from somewhere else. |
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 8, 2007 10:16:24 GMT -1
Marked improvement? You are having a laugh. Council tax increases above inflation every year and still they can't empty my bin every week. NHS: Fact there are more managers employed by them than doctors. How many managers can diagnose a patients problem? I don't mind paying tax. It's a way of life. Just wish it was used in a better way. *shrugs* Barnsley Council can't be too good then...  NHS: Totally agree with your analysis there. Yet what are we supposed to do about it? Let it crumble? I think most people do wish it was better spent... but you seemed to be complaining about taxes per se at first, so I went off on one... as you could see! A2V I'm not a Commie but simply have traditional (not new) Labour views in the British context...  |
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Post by addicted2venos on Feb 8, 2007 10:17:23 GMT -1
Hippy commie!! Marked improvement? You are having a laugh. Council tax increases above inflation every year and still they can't empty my bin every week. NHS: Fact there are more managers employed by them than doctors. How many managers can diagnose a patients problem? I don't mind paying tax. It's a way of life. Just wish it was used in a better way. *shrugs* Barnsley Council can't be too good then... NHS: Totally agree with your analysis there. Yet what are we supposed to do about it? Let it crumble? I think most people do wish it was better spent... but you seemed to be complaining about taxes per se at first, so I went off on one... as you could see! A2V I'm not a Commie but simply have traditional (not new) Labour views in the British context... |
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 8, 2007 10:17:28 GMT -1
OH NO!!!! NOT THE SPANISH STRAWBERRIES!!!!!!! LOL yeah... it was only an example man, no need to extract the urine... |
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Post by Remember Jesus on Feb 8, 2007 10:19:56 GMT -1
Marked improvement? You are having a laugh. Council tax increases above inflation every year and still they can't empty my bin every week. NHS: Fact there are more managers employed by them than doctors. How many managers can diagnose a patients problem? I don't mind paying tax. It's a way of life. Just wish it was used in a better way. *shrugs* Barnsley Council can't be too good then... NHS: Totally agree with your analysis there. Yet what are we supposed to do about it? Let it crumble? I think most people do wish it was better spent... but you seemed to be complaining about taxes per se at first, so I went off on one... as you could see! A2V I'm not a Commie but simply have traditional (not new) Labour views in the British context... Barnsley council is shit. The governments answer to everything is throw money at it, that will solve it. But they seem to be taxing people for taxing sake. |
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 8, 2007 10:19:59 GMT -1
No but a lot of tax comes from it and if that starts dwindling it has to come from somewhere else. True... I'd raise Income Tax and sod the consequences. Too unpopular to win elections with, but surely every party will come to see you can't run the systems we have without sufficient taxation. Shit I don't want to bang on about this all day, but if other people will start miserable threads like this... |
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 8, 2007 10:20:57 GMT -1
Hippy commie!! You agree with me, you just won't admit it... |
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Post by Dr LuKas on Feb 8, 2007 10:21:54 GMT -1
OH NO!!!! NOT THE SPANISH STRAWBERRIES!!!!!!! LOL yeah... it was only an example man, no need to extract the urine... Nah I'm funky anyway, I grow my own strawberries.  |
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? You suspect Forzas motives???
*reaches for disembowelling sword*
NOT THE SPANISH STRAWBERRIES!!!!!!!
