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Post by jh1980 on Nov 8, 2007 14:07:52 GMT -1
Do you not understand that the BNP are exploiting a situation created by our current government, praying on ignorance and the readers of the red tops. Yes, I do understand that. Hence I would like to see the strong British Government bring its heel down upon their loathsome party and their evil rhetoric, hard!
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 8, 2007 14:10:30 GMT -1
Do you not understand that the BNP are exploiting a situation created by our current government, praying on ignorance and the readers of the red tops. Yes, I do understand that. Hence I would like to see the strong British Government bring its heel down upon their loathsome party and their evil rhetoric, hard! fucking hell Jules, don't you see there a party and have seats for a reason, people want them there. Why because they've had enough! You can't go all Bush Saddam on them, then again maybe thats labours way! History does show that
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Post by Neko Bazu on Nov 8, 2007 14:11:24 GMT -1
Do you not understand that the BNP are exploiting a situation created by our current government, praying on ignorance and the readers of the red tops. Yes, I do understand that. Hence I would like to see the strong British Government bring its heel down upon their loathsome party and their evil rhetoric, hard! As opposed to dealing with the issues that they're exaggerating? Freedom of speech, Julio, they're allowed to say what they think, however vile it may be. The fact remains that getting rid of them doesn't get rid of the fact that people are unhappy about the current immigration set-up. Make people happy with the immigration set-up, and that's one of the BNP's legs cut away from underneath them. As Hurls said, they at least get the issues debated - the 'big three' can't afford to tread that fine line, but they can at least take the lead afterwards.
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 8, 2007 14:17:49 GMT -1
Freedom of speech, Julio, they're allowed to say what they think, however vile it may be. The fact remains that getting rid of them doesn't get rid of the fact that people are unhappy about the current immigration set-up. Make people happy with the immigration set-up, and that's one of the BNP's legs cut away from underneath them. "Freedom of Speech" Fine - but not freedom of hate. I don't buy the conventional argument on FoS precisely because I believe with all my heart that there are some groups who deserve to be gagged, starved of the oxygen of publicity. I realise that makes me a little more authoritarian than some would like - but I believe it is in the best interests of this country. You may misunderstand my position, but I can live with that.
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Post by T C on Nov 8, 2007 14:19:07 GMT -1
Shit Mrs H ! you beat me to it... was gonna follow up with that myself ! What do you think about the new government plan to fine those who don't stay on to further education or vocational courses or don't get a job after school? Bloody good idea
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Post by Mrs H on Nov 8, 2007 14:19:55 GMT -1
Freedom of speech, Julio, they're allowed to say what they think, however vile it may be. The fact remains that getting rid of them doesn't get rid of the fact that people are unhappy about the current immigration set-up. Make people happy with the immigration set-up, and that's one of the BNP's legs cut away from underneath them. "Freedom of Speech" Fine - but not freedom of hate. I don't buy the conventional argument on FoS precisely because I believe with all my heart that there are some groups who deserve to be gagged, starved of the oxygen of publicity. I realise that makes me a little more authoritarian than some would like - but I believe it is in the best interests of this country. You may misunderstand my position, but I can live with that. So this is what it would be like to live in North Korea! It's very nice....bit claustrophobic though
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Post by Roaster©®™ on Nov 8, 2007 14:21:31 GMT -1
"Freedom of Speech" Fine - but not freedom of hate. I don't buy the conventional argument on FoS precisely because I believe with all my heart that there are some groups who deserve to be gagged, starved of the oxygen of publicity. I realise that makes me a little more authoritarian than some would like - but I believe it is in the best interests of this country. You may misunderstand my position, but I can live with that. So this is what it would be like to live in North Korea! It's very nice....bit claustrophobic though Aye! But without an abundance of nuclear weapons and the rest of the world ganging up against us
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Post by Neko Bazu on Nov 8, 2007 14:21:44 GMT -1
Freedom of speech, Julio, they're allowed to say what they think, however vile it may be. The fact remains that getting rid of them doesn't get rid of the fact that people are unhappy about the current immigration set-up. Make people happy with the immigration set-up, and that's one of the BNP's legs cut away from underneath them. "Freedom of Speech" Fine - but not freedom of hate. I don't buy the conventional argument on FoS precisely because I believe with all my heart that there are some groups who deserve to be gagged, starved of the oxygen of publicity. I realise that makes me a little more authoritarian than some would like - but I believe it is in the best interests of this country. You may misunderstand my position, but I can live with that. And if that power existed, who's to say the working class or women would have the right to vote nowadays, as a 'for instance'? Until they start preaching outright death, I'm afraid I'd rather let them carry on (or, even better, resolve the issues they're banging on about) - we live in a democracy, after all. The reason they're winning seats is because they're appealing to want the people want - if the big three can take the limelight away from them, they'll wither and become a target of mass ridicule once again.
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Post by T C on Nov 8, 2007 14:22:29 GMT -1
Christ this board's really heavy today....good fun though
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 8, 2007 14:24:14 GMT -1
So this is what it would be like to live in North Korea! It's very nice....bit claustrophobic though Knew someone would say something like that, but surprised it's you. However I'll assume you're having a giggle, 'cos, well 'cos I'd prefer to think that
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Post by Mrs H on Nov 8, 2007 14:25:06 GMT -1
Christ this board's really heavy today....good fun though You see one day you can chat for an hour about cheese strings, the next day it's a full scale party political broadcast. ;D
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Post by thales on Nov 8, 2007 14:25:34 GMT -1
So this is what it would be like to live in North Korea! It's very nice....bit claustrophobic though Aye! But without an abundance of nuclear weapons and the rest of the world ganging up against us some of us do Ro ;D
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Post by T C on Nov 8, 2007 14:26:25 GMT -1
LOL well I for one am just gonna pause to post my application to join the BNP
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 8, 2007 14:26:29 GMT -1
And if that power existed, who's to say the working class or women would have the right to vote nowadays, as a 'for instance'? Until they start preaching outright death, I'm afraid I'd rather let them carry on (or, even better, resolve the issues they're banging on about) - we live in a democracy, after all. The reason they're winning seats is because they're appealing to want the people want - if the big three can take the limelight away from them, they'll wither and become a target of mass ridicule once again. The working class, or women have never associated themselves specifically with modern history's most vile regime, and the politics of said regime - which goes on to the next point really doesn't it.
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 8, 2007 14:27:14 GMT -1
LOL well I for one am just gonna pause to post my application to join the BNP Hilarious.
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Post by Roaster©®™ on Nov 8, 2007 14:27:38 GMT -1
Christ this board's really heavy today....good fun though You see one day you can chat for an hour about cheese strings, the next day it's a full scale party political broadcast. ;D Having done another 30mins of work - my head hurts! Not the work - but the heavy issues being discussed here. I'll stick to the drunken Prowler threads from now on! ;D
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Post by Mrs H on Nov 8, 2007 14:29:14 GMT -1
So this is what it would be like to live in North Korea! It's very nice....bit claustrophobic though Knew someone would say something like that, but surprised it's you. However I'll assume you're having a giggle, 'cos, well 'cos I'd prefer to think that And I'm suprised that you're arguing about having free speech!! If you stifle free speech (even if it's facist diatribes from a power hungry political group) it makes you no better than them. Let them get on with it. Most people, no matter how susceptible they are to suggestion, know that what they stand for is wrong.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Nov 8, 2007 14:31:11 GMT -1
And if that power existed, who's to say the working class or women would have the right to vote nowadays, as a 'for instance'? Until they start preaching outright death, I'm afraid I'd rather let them carry on (or, even better, resolve the issues they're banging on about) - we live in a democracy, after all. The reason they're winning seats is because they're appealing to want the people want - if the big three can take the limelight away from them, they'll wither and become a target of mass ridicule once again. The working class, or women have never associated themselves specifically with modern history's most vile regime, and the politics of said regime - which goes on to the next point really doesn't it. The point is, you can't censor what people say just because you don't like it. I'd happily have anti-gay groups, racist groups, sexist groups and all the other 'isms' silenced, but the fact remains that we live in a country where we're allowed those opinions as long as we don't maliciously act upon them - and I haven't seen any members of the BNP themselves carry anything illegal out, regardless of what the thuggish followers may do. To be quite frank, I'm glad we live in a country where people are allowed those opinions at all - you have to take the good with the bad, use freedoms responsibly etc. At the end of the day, if our leaders hadn't lost control of the situation (and they have; they've admitted they don't know how many people have entered the country) then there wouldn't be an issue. Seize the initiative, tighten things up (without over-reacting á la BNP) and look at that - BNP have nothing on you!
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Post by T C on Nov 8, 2007 14:31:34 GMT -1
Its good that so many posters have a passionate opinion and are able to put their points of view across in such a dignified restrained logical manner. everyone should be proud of themselves today. Well done !
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Post by Neko Bazu on Nov 8, 2007 14:32:47 GMT -1
Its good that so many posters have a passionate opinion and are able to put their points of view across in such a dignified restrained logical manner. everyone should be proud of themselves today. Well done ! Can I have a silver star?
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