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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 8, 2007 13:22:23 GMT -1
If he does believe it, would explain why he didn't get cross about my earlier suggestion involving his famille... But I've met Yan... he's not a "See you next Tuesday" of that I'm fairly sure Well I know said insult is not true, so ignored it! I'm not racist, I just think that there needs to be a balance and the BNP whilst I find their policies abhorrent - do make politicians reliase that normal working class people have had enough!
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Post by Roaster©®™ on Nov 8, 2007 13:23:16 GMT -1
(and he would like that finished by the end of class, 3000 words please) It was kinda a serious question - see I get a it confused between what is racist and what is not. I just wanted to know what people think about it Is it that easy to spot I used to be a teacher ;D Not wanting to inflame the debate but there is a very line between immigration and racism - and in my opinion this is reason why politicians seem reluctant to openly debate the question. I don't care who lives in my country - but would expect them to be able to communicate in the language, contribute something towards the country (through work) and abide by the laws of that country. "When in Rome do as the Romans do" springs to mind - so would expect immigrants, whether EU or wherever to respect our country and laws and do their utmost to intergrate into the society to which they moved. And in fairness - if you were to move to somewhere like Saudi Arabia or Iran you'd be expected to uphold their laws and traditions. The Govt. just need to come out and state clearly what their policy is and what the rules are - then hopefully we can all get on with living our lives.
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 8, 2007 13:23:37 GMT -1
Do you really believe that Hurls or are you just 'lighting the blue touch paper...?" Yes I knew it would get a reaction, I'm in no way a supporter of the BNP
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Post by T C on Nov 8, 2007 13:26:49 GMT -1
It was kinda a serious question - see I get a it confused between what is racist and what is not. I just wanted to know what people think about it Is it that easy to spot I used to be a teacher ;D Not wanting to inflame the debate but there is a very line between immigration and racism - and in my opinion this is reason why politicians seem reluctant to openly debate the question. I don't care who lives in my country - but would expect them to be able to communicate in the language, contribute something towards the country (through work) and abide by the laws of that country. "When in Rome do as the Romans do" springs to mind - so would expect immigrants, whether EU or wherever to respect our country and laws and do their utmost to intergrate into the society to which they moved. And in fairness - if you were to move to somewhere like Saudi Arabia or Iran you'd be expected to uphold their laws and traditions. The Govt. just need to come out and state clearly what their policy is and what the rules are - then hopefully we can all get on with living our lives. Spoken with the maturity of an adult. Fully agree. Only let 'em in if they are prepared to work and contribute to their chosen country. After all how many european countries would allow us in to sponge off the state ?
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 8, 2007 13:27:23 GMT -1
Not wanting to inflame the debate but there is a very line between immigration and racism - and in my opinion this is reason why politicians seem reluctant to openly debate the question. I don't care who lives in my country - but would expect them to be able to communicate in the language, contribute something towards the country (through work) and abide by the laws of that country. "When in Rome do as the Romans do" springs to mind - so would expect immigrants, whether EU or wherever to respect our country and laws and do their utmost to intergrate into the society to which they moved. And in fairness - if you were to move to somewhere like Saudi Arabia or Iran you'd be expected to uphold their laws and traditions. The Govt. just need to come out and state clearly what their policy is and what the rules are - then hopefully we can all get on with living our lives. Couldn't have put it better myself, and I think that in a perverse way the BNP have highlighted that this is how people feel!
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Post by Mrs H on Nov 8, 2007 13:27:33 GMT -1
Immigration is very much a neccessary part of society these days. We need people to fill service jobs because our lame and lazy don't want these jobs because they're too busy trying to get onto X Factor (even that's too much trouble for some).
I agree with Ro that there has to be some essential training in British language and culture before jobs are given to immigrants. It's only fair to us and to them.
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 8, 2007 13:27:35 GMT -1
So can you explain to me why far left labour party members are anti jew, and whatever the degree of racism it's not acceptable - or is it Jules. I never said I liked Griffin, or his policies. I just think that the labour party has brought them through the ranks with their piss pour attitude on immigration. Depends if you believe there is no smoke without fire. I have heard much about supposed anti-semitism from British Socialists, I think there may be some dodgy underlying views and I'm not happy about that. However being pro-Palestinian does not necessarily mean being anti-Jewish, and I don't know why people bang on about the thing with Ken and the journalist, I don't think it crossed his mind the guy was Jewish, besides since when has being anti-Nazi been a problem?! If I hear someone say "you're a Nazi" I don't think they are paying a compliment! I should hope not. Again that is a valid strain of thought fella but ...I don't know. I'm among those who think the Labour Party should turn to the left, and that this will attract most of the traditional working class support back to the party (as unfortunately these people are sometimes the ones turning to fascists for answers - see Barking/Dagenham). However at the same time I don't want to see Labour out of power for another 20 years...
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Post by unkownperson on Nov 8, 2007 13:28:20 GMT -1
Hello all ;d Ro's here durring the day
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Post by Roaster©®™ on Nov 8, 2007 13:29:56 GMT -1
Hello all ;d Ro's here durring the day Working from home mate! Just taking an extended luch hour (or three)
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Post by T C on Nov 8, 2007 13:31:37 GMT -1
Immigration is very much a neccessary part of society these days. We need people to fill service jobs because our lame and lazy don't want these jobs because they're too busy trying to get onto X Factor (even that's too much trouble for some). I agree with Ro that there has to be some essential training in British language and culture before jobs are given to immigrants. It's only fair to us and to them. Mrs H ! are you suggesting that "immigrants" are necessary because they get all the shitty jobs ? is that not a tad racist ?
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 8, 2007 13:31:39 GMT -1
Spoken with the maturity of an adult. Fully agree. Only let 'em in if they are prepared to work and contribute to their chosen country. After all how many european countries would allow us in to sponge off the state ? But Tel, I agreed with what Ro said there, but actually the tone and the words are incredibly important. Reading your post above I sense an underlying assumption that a lot of people are coming here to scrounge - which may or may not be true.
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Post by HURLOCK on Nov 8, 2007 13:32:24 GMT -1
Depends if you believe there is no smoke without fire. I have heard much about supposed anti-semitism from British Socialists, I think there may be some dodgy underlying views and I'm not happy about that. However being pro-Palestinian does not necessarily mean being anti-Jewish, and I don't know why people bang on about the thing with Ken and the journalist, I don't think it crossed his mind the guy was Jewish, besides since when has being anti-Nazi been a problem?! If I hear someone say "you're a Nazi" I don't think they are paying a compliment! I should hope not. Again that is a valid strain of thought fella but ...I don't know. I'm among those who think the Labour Party should turn to the left, and that this will attract most of the traditional working class support back to the party (as unfortunately these people are sometimes the ones turning to fascists for answers - see Barking/Dagenham). However at the same time I don't want to see Labour out of power for another 20 years... Jules the journo incident is one of a long line of gaffes on Kens part! Please you can't really think people want to go backwards, life has evolved - people are interested in self wealth etc., If thats going to be Brown next speach he may as well give Cameron the keys to number 10.
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 8, 2007 13:33:50 GMT -1
Mrs H ! are you suggesting that "immigrants" are necessary because they get all the shitty jobs ? is that not a tad racist ? No, if anything it's offensive to the "lumpen proles" of this country! ;D But it's a fair point, there are many jobs which cannot or will not be filled by local workers, while there are people who are willing and able to do that job who immigrate to this country.
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Post by T C on Nov 8, 2007 13:33:58 GMT -1
Spoken with the maturity of an adult. Fully agree. Only let 'em in if they are prepared to work and contribute to their chosen country. After all how many european countries would allow us in to sponge off the state ? But Tel, I agreed with what Ro said there, but actually the tone and the words are incredibly important. Reading your post above I sense an underlying assumption that a lot of people are coming here to scrounge - which may or may not be true. It's true...unfortunately the ones who do come over here simply because of our generous nature overshadow the more "genuine " ones
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Post by Roaster©®™ on Nov 8, 2007 13:34:39 GMT -1
Immigration is very much a neccessary part of society these days. We need people to fill service jobs because our lame and lazy don't want these jobs because they're too busy trying to get onto X Factor (even that's too much trouble for some). I agree with Ro that there has to be some essential training in British language and culture before jobs are given to immigrants. It's only fair to us and to them. But to add to that maybe the Govt. should be looking at why as a country we've so many lazy sods sat at home claiming benefits whilst migrant workers fill the jobs. Don't think this an Education and training issue - current employment laws and the minimum wage structure is in place now so to be honest the Govt. have made it too cushy for British lay-a-bouts. If not them then it's companies and employers, thinking profits more than people, in the UK expoiting the foreign workers so maybe these need to be targeted!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Nov 8, 2007 13:34:53 GMT -1
*had a big rant typed up* *thought better of it* *plays with shiny stuff instead*
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Post by unkownperson on Nov 8, 2007 13:35:03 GMT -1
Hello all ;d Ro's here durring the day Working from home mate! Just taking an extended luch hour (or three) Ah thats why and the best way to be ;d
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Post by jh1980 on Nov 8, 2007 13:38:02 GMT -1
Jules the journo incident is one of a long line of gaffes on Kens part! Please you can't really think people want to go backwards, life has evolved - people are interested in self wealth etc., If thats going to be Brown next speach he may as well give Cameron the keys to number 10. I don't care, I still pray that he beats Boris, for the sake of the poor, the marginalised, those who use public transport and those who need services extended not cut. And that's not even a soundbite. Cheap wind-up, I know you're interested in self-wealth but then speaking of living in the past you are so in hock to the 1980s it's almost comical mate! 20,000 POSTS, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Come join me on party thread in a few moments...
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Post by Billy on Nov 8, 2007 13:38:43 GMT -1
It was kinda a serious question - see I get a it confused between what is racist and what is not. I just wanted to know what people think about it Is it that easy to spot I used to be a teacher ;D Not wanting to inflame the debate but there is a very line between immigration and racism - and in my opinion this is reason why politicians seem reluctant to openly debate the question. I don't care who lives in my country - but would expect them to be able to communicate in the language, contribute something towards the country (through work) and abide by the laws of that country. "When in Rome do as the Romans do" springs to mind - so would expect immigrants, whether EU or wherever to respect our country and laws and do their utmost to intergrate into the society to which they moved. And in fairness - if you were to move to somewhere like Saudi Arabia or Iran you'd be expected to uphold their laws and traditions. The Govt. just need to come out and state clearly what their policy is and what the rules are - then hopefully we can all get on with living our lives. Good point(s), well made. It annoys me though sometimes when people refuse to embarce our culture - like that school teacher who refused to remove her hajib/burka when she was teaching - the only reason the school asked her to remove it was because the puils couldn't understand what she was saying!
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Post by Mrs H on Nov 8, 2007 13:41:31 GMT -1
Immigration is very much a neccessary part of society these days. We need people to fill service jobs because our lame and lazy don't want these jobs because they're too busy trying to get onto X Factor (even that's too much trouble for some). I agree with Ro that there has to be some essential training in British language and culture before jobs are given to immigrants. It's only fair to us and to them. Mrs H ! are you suggesting that "immigrants" are necessary because they get all the shitty jobs ? is that not a tad racist ? If that's what you think then it wasn't the intention. The truth is that the service industry for years has been using migrant workers. The hotel industry would have collapsed years ago if immigration had been restricted.
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