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Post by Katiekins on Oct 25, 2007 19:01:25 GMT -1
The OLD North / South Debate, too bad you don't have different time zones like the U.S. that would clear things right up.......... unless you live in Arizona. That must be great, visting friends on the other side of the country only to find they've gone to bed ;D LMAO ;d
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Post by Mrs H on Oct 25, 2007 19:03:20 GMT -1
i'd disagree about the northern cities to some degree - in terms of the acftual city centre then liverpool, manchester and leeds are as good as any southern city. Whilst they have some bad areas, so does Bristol, London & Portsmouth! i agree about the investement in the south - it used to be the m4 corridor that was the 'in' place for investors, now its Kent and the South East. Accesabilty has a lot do do with it, especially now the eurotunnel is up and running! In terms of standard of life though, i dont think there is a huge difference between the north and south (the clearly the midlands is the place to be as we fly under the radar on these daft studies) ;D Yus I think its important that in surveys like this it isn't just thought that the whole of London etc are thriving because this isn't the case and there are huge socio-economic differences between areas and people. Well the government has put a lot into regenerating northern cities and like you say the city centres of Manchester etc and even Derby now are nice! But social deprivation is still a big(ger) issue in the north. Quality of life is a difficult one to judge...the report shows that in a very general way education, health and wealth etc are worse in the north... Derby city centre is a hole! Sorry Gres I will be nice to you at some point this evening
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Oct 25, 2007 19:05:21 GMT -1
Yus I think its important that in surveys like this it isn't just thought that the whole of London etc are thriving because this isn't the case and there are huge socio-economic differences between areas and people. Well the government has put a lot into regenerating northern cities and like you say the city centres of Manchester etc and even Derby now are nice! But social deprivation is still a big(ger) issue in the north. Quality of life is a difficult one to judge...the report shows that in a very general way education, health and wealth etc are worse in the north... Derby city centre is a hole! Sorry Gres I will be nice to you at some point this evening It WAS a hole Laura, but the new Westfield centre is fucking awesome! Once all the accompanying roadworks are sorted it'll be a decent city!
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 25, 2007 19:06:06 GMT -1
Even when this survey has drawn that line on the basis of the north having: poorer education stats less life expectancy lower house prices less wealth and investment and economic dynamism etc etc Working in Leicester a lot, i know for a fact that house prices are no more than any of its surrounding counties, schooling is shite and the only econmic dynamism is walkers crisps and KP! ;D It looks to me like the line crosses through Leicestershire though - i wonder which bits got left out?? Not the bit I live in! Well Leicester is very much a borderline city there which is why Leicester is close to one side of the line, Cov, Derby and Notts close to the other. Don't know what swayed the stats either way or how they've worked it out. Average house prices sept 07: Leics £193,972 Derbys £165087 Notts £163715 Northants £179479 Could be it, I don't know but theres not much in it.
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Post by PureOldGold on Oct 25, 2007 19:06:15 GMT -1
i'd disagree about the northern cities to some degree - in terms of the acftual city centre then liverpool, manchester and leeds are as good as any southern city. Whilst they have some bad areas, so does Bristol, London & Portsmouth! i agree about the investement in the south - it used to be the m4 corridor that was the 'in' place for investors, now its Kent and the South East. Accesabilty has a lot do do with it, especially now the eurotunnel is up and running! In terms of standard of life though, i dont think there is a huge difference between the north and south (the clearly the midlands is the place to be as we fly under the radar on these daft studies) ;D Yus I think its important that in surveys like this it isn't just thought that the whole of London etc are thriving because this isn't the case and there are huge socio-economic differences between areas and people. Well the government has put a lot into regenerating northern cities and like you say the city centres of Manchester etc and even Derby now are nice! But social deprivation is still a big(ger) issue in the north. Quality of life is a difficult one to judge...the report shows that in a very general way education, health and wealth etc are worse in the north... Yes, maybe the North has lower standards of education, health and wealth compared to the south, but i don't think the gap is as big as they make it out to be, where these surveys distributed equally among cities in the South? i think its pretty much the same, the bigger cities in both south and north of England are better off, but the smaller cities in both are equally as bad.
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Post by officergroyman on Oct 25, 2007 19:08:05 GMT -1
That must be great, visting friends on the other side of the country only to find they've gone to bed ;D LMAO ;d worse than that, would be living in one of the states where the timezone splits it in half. you'd either be an hour early or an hour late depending on which side of the line you were on.
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Post by Katiekins on Oct 25, 2007 19:08:47 GMT -1
worse than that, would be living in one of the states where the timezone splits it in half. you'd either be an hour early or an hour late depending on which side of the line you were on. What if you are exactly ont he line then are you 30 minutes difference? ;d
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 25, 2007 19:10:54 GMT -1
Yus I think its important that in surveys like this it isn't just thought that the whole of London etc are thriving because this isn't the case and there are huge socio-economic differences between areas and people. Well the government has put a lot into regenerating northern cities and like you say the city centres of Manchester etc and even Derby now are nice! But social deprivation is still a big(ger) issue in the north. Quality of life is a difficult one to judge...the report shows that in a very general way education, health and wealth etc are worse in the north... Yes, maybe the North has lower standards of education, health and wealth compared to the south, but i don't think the gap is as big as they make it out to be, where these surveys distributed equally among cities in the South? i think its pretty much the same, the bigger cities in both south and north of England are better off, but the smaller cities in both are equally as bad. Its only a sweeping generalisation that they've put together so they can divide it by a line. I think the government has done a reasonable job on the N/S divide but it exists in many ways in a general sense still so much more to be done. Small towns in the south are often very affluent and lack some of these deprived city areas. Winchester, Guildford, Oxbridge, Exeter etc etc vs Wigan, Bolton, Burnley, Preston etc etc
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 25, 2007 19:11:44 GMT -1
Oh and Rochdale!!
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Post by Arnold on Oct 25, 2007 19:12:32 GMT -1
Leicester in the south? FFS piss off back to where you came from you scummers!
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Oct 25, 2007 19:19:42 GMT -1
Yes, maybe the North has lower standards of education, health and wealth compared to the south, but i don't think the gap is as big as they make it out to be, where these surveys distributed equally among cities in the South? i think its pretty much the same, the bigger cities in both south and north of England are better off, but the smaller cities in both are equally as bad. Its only a sweeping generalisation that they've put together so they can divide it by a line. I think the government has done a reasonable job on the N/S divide but it exists in many ways in a general sense still so much more to be done. Small towns in the south are often very affluent and lack some of these deprived city areas. Winchester, Guildford, Oxbridge, Exeter etc etc vs Wigan, Bolton, Burnley, Preston etc etc FFS Geo, we can all pick 4 shitty northern and 4 shitty southern towns! Hardly good comparisons them?? what about Matlock, Chester, York, Hexham, Durham, Kendal, Harrogate VS Basingstoke, Staines, Luton, Southend, Great Yarmouth etc There is shitholes in EVERY part of the country, North, south, east and west! At least we pay less for our shitholes than darn sarf! ;D
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Post by officergroyman on Oct 25, 2007 19:22:03 GMT -1
worse than that, would be living in one of the states where the timezone splits it in half. you'd either be an hour early or an hour late depending on which side of the line you were on. What if you are exactly ont he line then are you 30 minutes difference? ;d I think your probably right!!!
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Post by Katiekins on Oct 25, 2007 19:22:59 GMT -1
What if you are exactly ont he line then are you 30 minutes difference? ;d I think your probably right!!! I thoguht it made sense
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 25, 2007 19:26:21 GMT -1
Its only a sweeping generalisation that they've put together so they can divide it by a line. I think the government has done a reasonable job on the N/S divide but it exists in many ways in a general sense still so much more to be done. Small towns in the south are often very affluent and lack some of these deprived city areas. Winchester, Guildford, Oxbridge, Exeter etc etc vs Wigan, Bolton, Burnley, Preston etc etc FFS Geo, we can all pick 4 shitty northern and 4 shitty southern towns! Hardly good comparisons them?? what about Matlock, Chester, York, Hexham, Durham, Kendal, Harrogate VS Basingstoke, Staines, Luton, Southend, Great Yarmouth etc There is shitholes in EVERY part of the country, North, south, east and west! At least we pay less for our shitholes than darn sarf! ;D Haha fair point. But in a very general sense I do believe that a north-south divide exists (while acknowledging that parts of the south suffer badly and parts of the north don't) and though the government has punped investment into the north...the effect has been to slow the rate of the advancing of the gap and theres much work to do still for the socio-economic well being for everyone. Leicester, Notts, Derby and even more so Manchester, Newcastle, Hull, Mboro etc remain not only a long way away from London geographically but also economically and in investment terms. This is boring me now. I don't want to be serious now. Bugger Bolton have scored.
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Oct 25, 2007 19:30:25 GMT -1
FFS Geo, we can all pick 4 shitty northern and 4 shitty southern towns! Hardly good comparisons them?? what about Matlock, Chester, York, Hexham, Durham, Kendal, Harrogate VS Basingstoke, Staines, Luton, Southend, Great Yarmouth etc There is shitholes in EVERY part of the country, North, south, east and west! At least we pay less for our shitholes than darn sarf! ;D Haha fair point. But in a very general sense I do believe that a north-south divide exists (while acknowledging that parts of the south suffer badly and parts of the north don't) and though the government has punped investment into the north...the effect has been to slow the rate of the advancing of the gap and theres much work to do still for the socio-economic well being for everyone. Leicester, Notts, Derby and even more so Manchester, Newcastle, Hull, Mboro etc remain not only a long way away from London geographically but also economically and in investment terms. This is boring me now. I don't want to be serious now. Bugger Bolton have scored. NEVER, EVER MENTION DERBY IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS MIDDLESBORO AGAIN GEO...ON PAIN OF DEATH! ;D There May be a north south divide, but there is a whole country-middlesboro divide and long may that continue!! ;D ;D *are Bolton your most hated team now then?? they did you a massive favour!!*
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Post by wolfman on Oct 25, 2007 19:31:09 GMT -1
There is shitholes in EVERY part of the country, North, south, east and west! At least we pay less for our shitholes than darn sarf! ;D I think it goes much deeper than that as far as to say that there are shitholes in every town and city. Bournemouth probably would be considered affluent but there are quite a few suburbs that are right shitholes that could match anything as bad as anything in Bristol or Cardiff.
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Oct 25, 2007 19:32:24 GMT -1
There is shitholes in EVERY part of the country, North, south, east and west! At least we pay less for our shitholes than darn sarf! ;D I think it goes much deeper than that as far as to say that there are shitholes in every town and city. Bournemouth probably would be considered affluent but there are quite a few suburbs that are right shitholes that could match anything as bad as anything in Bristol or Cardiff. LOL - i know, i have a lot of mates in Bournemouth!! ;D ;D
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Post by PureOldGold on Oct 25, 2007 19:33:17 GMT -1
Geo, i've never really liked Bolton either, fake wanderers, we can both slag them off together ;D
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 25, 2007 19:36:29 GMT -1
Haha fair point. But in a very general sense I do believe that a north-south divide exists (while acknowledging that parts of the south suffer badly and parts of the north don't) and though the government has punped investment into the north...the effect has been to slow the rate of the advancing of the gap and theres much work to do still for the socio-economic well being for everyone. Leicester, Notts, Derby and even more so Manchester, Newcastle, Hull, Mboro etc remain not only a long way away from London geographically but also economically and in investment terms. This is boring me now. I don't want to be serious now. Bugger Bolton have scored. NEVER, EVER MENTION DERBY IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS MIDDLESBORO AGAIN GEO...ON PAIN OF DEATH! ;D There May be a north south divide, but there is a whole country-middlesboro divide and long may that continue!! ;D ;D *are Bolton your most hated team now then?? they did you a massive favour!!* ;d sorry about that mate! I'll try not to pass comment when they put 4 past you later in the season. Haha I agree! Only been through there on a main road past the riverside through to the Moors. Didn't look too pleasant, don't think Stockton is up to much either. Nah, I'm indifferent to them...they do have one of the nicest new stadiums to be built in my opinion. But I hate megson and hope he fails and gets sacked and never gets a decent job in football again asap!
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Post by wolfman on Oct 25, 2007 19:37:15 GMT -1
LOL - i know, i have a lot of mates in Bournemouth!! ;D ;D Really, which areas do they live
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