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Post by Katiekins on Oct 25, 2007 18:43:41 GMT -1
Has the whole concept of the Midlands dissappeared then? . I always refer to myself as a midlander
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Oct 25, 2007 18:45:19 GMT -1
Has the whole concept of the Midlands dissappeared then? . I always refer to myself as a midlander LOL - it appears to have disappeared!! ;D I say i live in the midlands - southerners call me northern and northerners call me southern!! ;D
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Post by Mrs H on Oct 25, 2007 18:47:26 GMT -1
Has the whole concept of the Midlands dissappeared then? . I always refer to myself as a midlander LOL - it appears to have disappeared!! ;D I say i live in the midlands - southerners call me northern and northerners call me southern!! ;D That's just cos no-one likes you Gres
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Post by Katiekins on Oct 25, 2007 18:47:41 GMT -1
Has the whole concept of the Midlands dissappeared then? . I always refer to myself as a midlander LOL - it appears to have disappeared!! ;D I say i live in the midlands - southerners call me northern and northerners call me southern!! ;D Yea exactly, too common to be South, too posh to be North . I've been told that too lol
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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Oct 25, 2007 18:48:23 GMT -1
Has the whole concept of the Midlands dissappeared then? . I always refer to myself as a midlander LOL - it appears to have disappeared!! ;D I say i live in the midlands - southerners call me northern and northerners call me southern!! ;D I don't get called Southern or Northern, I just get called inbred...
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 25, 2007 18:48:44 GMT -1
I can sort of see the point of the map. Its a social map, rather than one defined by latitude. The north-south gap is huge in so many ways and probably still growing in many aspects. Difficult to draw the line as to where it is, but given the South and East are the most affluent areas, you can see why its diagonal. But its not clear cut, and i don't think you can reduce it to a line. London may be prosperous but it has some of the most economically and socially deprived areas in the country while quality of life in say Cumbria could be higher. I know a simple way of sorting the supposed north-south divide: Put the houses of parliament in say Birmingham or Leeds and then those places will thrive - the corrupt policians always look after their own doorsteps (see Sheffield and Hull's floods for an example). It cannot be defined by a line - Chester/cheshire is far more affluent a county than lincolnshire & leicestershire! Living in the peak/lake district has got to be a better standard of life than the shitholes that are Southampton, Portsmouth and Southend!! Its all a load of bollocks and a waste of money! You may be right on the former...but the White house is in Washington and New York is recognised more as the capital of the USA. I agree with you there on Cheshire but head into the northern cities of Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds etc and its a different story. Thats why I said a line couldn't be clear. But most in coming investment from private enterprises goes to the south-east. Its where the money and big business is....the money may not be distributed equably across the people but the south east is where the opportunity is.
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 25, 2007 18:50:41 GMT -1
Has the whole concept of the Midlands dissappeared then? . I always refer to myself as a midlander The Midlands still exists, geographically and practically. Its just less distinct in this instance....the map is just about socio-economic indicators (lumped together at that) to define north or south....not being x number of miles from the south coast.
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Post by PureOldGold on Oct 25, 2007 18:50:57 GMT -1
Well if i had to choose between North and South, it would be North so i'm glad i'm on that side
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 25, 2007 18:54:23 GMT -1
Well if i had to choose between North and South, it would be North so i'm glad i'm on that side Even when this survey has drawn that line on the basis of the north having: poorer education stats less life expectancy lower house prices less wealth and investment and economic dynamism etc etc
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Post by Katiekins on Oct 25, 2007 18:54:38 GMT -1
Has the whole concept of the Midlands dissappeared then? . I always refer to myself as a midlander The Midlands still exists, geographically and practically. Its just less distinct in this instance....the map is just about socio-economic indicators (lumped together at that) to define north or south....not being x number of miles from the south coast. Yea i know i'm jsut being silly
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Oct 25, 2007 18:54:47 GMT -1
I know a simple way of sorting the supposed north-south divide: Put the houses of parliament in say Birmingham or Leeds and then those places will thrive - the corrupt policians always look after their own doorsteps (see Sheffield and Hull's floods for an example). It cannot be defined by a line - Chester/cheshire is far more affluent a county than lincolnshire & leicestershire! Living in the peak/lake district has got to be a better standard of life than the shitholes that are Southampton, Portsmouth and Southend!! Its all a load of bollocks and a waste of money! You may be right on the former...but the White house is in Washington and New York is recognised more as the capital of the USA. I agree with you there on Cheshire but head into the northern cities of Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds etc and its a different story. Thats why I said a line couldn't be clear. But most in coming investment from private enterprises goes to the south-east. Its where the money and big business is....the money may not be distributed equably across the people but the south east is where the opportunity is. i'd disagree about the northern cities to some degree - in terms of the acftual city centre then liverpool, manchester and leeds are as good as any southern city. Whilst they have some bad areas, so does Bristol, London & Portsmouth! i agree about the investement in the south - it used to be the m4 corridor that was the 'in' place for investors, now its Kent and the South East. Accesabilty has a lot do do with it, especially now the eurotunnel is up and running! In terms of standard of life though, i dont think there is a huge difference between the north and south (the clearly the midlands is the place to be as we fly under the radar on these daft studies) ;D
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Post by Katiekins on Oct 25, 2007 18:55:19 GMT -1
Well if i had to choose between North and South, it would be North so i'm glad i'm on that side WOOP come join us Northerners lovely POG ;d
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Oct 25, 2007 18:55:51 GMT -1
LOL - it appears to have disappeared!! ;D I say i live in the midlands - southerners call me northern and northerners call me southern!! ;D That's just cos no-one likes you Gres LOL!! Harsh! ;D
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Post by PureOldGold on Oct 25, 2007 18:57:10 GMT -1
Well if i had to choose between North and South, it would be North so i'm glad i'm on that side Even when this survey has drawn that line on the basis of the north having: poorer education stats less life expectancy lower house prices less wealth and investment and economic dynamism etc etc who gives a toss about that , them southerners are all stuck up to be honest, i find the guys from the north are more down to earth, * expects huge backlash* ;D
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Post by officergroyman on Oct 25, 2007 18:57:15 GMT -1
The OLD North / South Debate, too bad you don't have different time zones like the U.S. that would clear things right up.......... unless you live in Arizona.
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Oct 25, 2007 18:58:14 GMT -1
Well if i had to choose between North and South, it would be North so i'm glad i'm on that side Even when this survey has drawn that line on the basis of the north having: poorer education stats less life expectancy lower house prices less wealth and investment and economic dynamism etc etc Working in Leicester a lot, i know for a fact that house prices are no more than any of its surrounding counties, schooling is shite and the only econmic dynamism is walkers crisps and KP! ;D It looks to me like the line crosses through Leicestershire though - i wonder which bits got left out??
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Post by PureOldGold on Oct 25, 2007 18:58:31 GMT -1
Well if i had to choose between North and South, it would be North so i'm glad i'm on that side WOOP come join us Northerners lovely POG ;d LOL ;D Birmingham and Nottingham are safely within the borderline.
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Post by PureOldGold on Oct 25, 2007 18:59:40 GMT -1
The OLD North / South Debate, too bad you don't have different time zones like the U.S. that would clear things right up.......... unless you live in Arizona. That must be great, visting friends on the other side of the country only to find they've gone to bed ;D
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Post by Katiekins on Oct 25, 2007 19:00:29 GMT -1
WOOP come join us Northerners lovely POG ;d LOL ;D Birmingham and Nottingham are safely within the borderline. Yea no confusion about where we belong. North WOOP . Better than being (to quote you) 'stuck up Southerners' ;d
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 25, 2007 19:00:44 GMT -1
You may be right on the former...but the White house is in Washington and New York is recognised more as the capital of the USA. I agree with you there on Cheshire but head into the northern cities of Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds etc and its a different story. Thats why I said a line couldn't be clear. But most in coming investment from private enterprises goes to the south-east. Its where the money and big business is....the money may not be distributed equably across the people but the south east is where the opportunity is. i'd disagree about the northern cities to some degree - in terms of the acftual city centre then liverpool, manchester and leeds are as good as any southern city. Whilst they have some bad areas, so does Bristol, London & Portsmouth! i agree about the investement in the south - it used to be the m4 corridor that was the 'in' place for investors, now its Kent and the South East. Accesabilty has a lot do do with it, especially now the eurotunnel is up and running! In terms of standard of life though, i dont think there is a huge difference between the north and south (the clearly the midlands is the place to be as we fly under the radar on these daft studies) ;D Yus I think its important that in surveys like this it isn't just thought that the whole of London etc are thriving because this isn't the case and there are huge socio-economic differences between areas and people. Well the government has put a lot into regenerating northern cities and like you say the city centres of Manchester etc and even Derby now are nice! But social deprivation is still a big(ger) issue in the north. Quality of life is a difficult one to judge...the report shows that in a very general way education, health and wealth etc are worse in the north...
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