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Post by ovechkin8 on Apr 16, 2009 17:59:12 GMT -1
This in the wake of Eoin Morgan being called up to Englands 20/20 squad. Ireland have qualified for the 20/20 cup and will be minus one of their best players. What is the point in Ireland in developing very good county level players if they end up being snatched by England ? Its a vicious circle becasue without them there is no hope of Ireland becoming a fully fledged Test side. And without there is no incentive for players like Morgan and Porterfield to stay within the Ireland fold. Ed Joyce can return to Irish colours in two years but it makes a mockery of international sport. The ICC need to get in and provide Ireland as the best of the associates that funding to pay their youngsters to remain with them while playing like the overseas players within the counties. Its not just Ireland under threat. Scotland have a real talent in Kyle Coetzer of Durham and Alexei Kervezee of Holland at Worcestershire. How long before England cast their eyes in their direction ?  |
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Post by Pete the Wolf on Apr 16, 2009 18:19:07 GMT -1
18th? Which county are you discounting?
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Post by ovechkin8 on Apr 16, 2009 18:24:47 GMT -1
Good point Pete.  Durham have been playing a while now.  |
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Post by Pete the Wolf on Apr 16, 2009 18:30:55 GMT -1
At least you didn't try and claim Warwickshire didn't count  Excellent couple of days for them as well, wandering off topic  |
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Post by Kentucky Kid on Apr 16, 2009 18:34:44 GMT -1
its just like ireland getting trent johnston andre botha and david langford smith what goes around comes around
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Post by Kentucky Kid on Apr 16, 2009 18:35:20 GMT -1
jingle bells scored more than 60  ;D |
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Post by Pete the Wolf on Apr 16, 2009 18:39:24 GMT -1
jingle bells scored more than 60 ;D He scores for fun at County level. Plus, an average of 40 at Test level is hardly a poor achievement. |
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Post by ovechkin8 on Apr 16, 2009 18:42:14 GMT -1
Great effort from Ian and nice to see Troughton show some early form. Hopefully he can push for an England spot in the near future. Re Botha,Johnston KK I can see your point as one can with KP for England. However Ireland now have a very good development programme which will mean that such players will not be needed in future and the aim should be for the ICC to get more associates flourishing and competitive not knock them back by allowing the likes of England pinch their best talents. I mean something is surely wrong if the eighteen counties ( ) cannot develop the required talent for England. Kervezee is already on the radar of the ECB. Bet the Dutch are pleased (although he was born in Namibia). Nationality is a touchy issue but the support should lie with the smaller developing teams. These problems have been hindering the development of the smaller unions ie the Pacific Islanders with regards to their neighbours NZ and Australia. |
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Post by Kentucky Kid on Apr 16, 2009 18:42:28 GMT -1
jingle bells scored more than 60 ;D He scores for fun at County level. Plus, an average of 40 at Test level is hardly a poor achievement. mate i wasen't getting at him i like ian bell i can't understand why he was dropped for owais shah tbh the one criticsm of him which applies to all england players except kp is they get a start and then don't go on bells average could and should be nearer the 50 mark if he pushed on in his innings and didn't get out for 40's 50's 60's etc |
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Post by Kentucky Kid on Apr 16, 2009 18:48:23 GMT -1
Great effort from Ian and nice to see Troughton show some early form. Hopefully he can push for an England spot in the near future. Re Botha,Johnston KK I can see your point as one can with KP for England. However Ireland now have a very good development programme which will mean that such players will not be needed in future and the aim should be for the ICC to get more associates flourishing and competitive not knock them back by allowing the likes of England pinch their best talents. I mean something is surely wrong if the eighteen counties ( ) cannot develop the required talent for England. Kervezee is already on the radar of the ECB. Bet the Dutch are pleased (although he was born in Namibia). Nationality is a touchy issue but the support should lie with the smaller developing teams. These problems have been hindering the development of the smaller unions ie the Pacific Islanders with regards to their neighbours NZ and Australia. i don't think its the talent i think its the lack of interest in cricket within schools etc they view football as more of a first choice sport and unfortunately the ECB aren't doing enough to change that whereas in ireland cricket is a growing sport and is therefore able to reach more people and get more talent and develop better players and i believe in 10 years time ireland will be able to challenge england on a consitent basis |
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Post by Pete the Wolf on Apr 16, 2009 18:50:22 GMT -1
He scores for fun at County level. Plus, an average of 40 at Test level is hardly a poor achievement. mate i wasen't getting at him i like ian bell i can't understand why he was dropped for owais shah tbh the one criticsm of him which applies to all england players except kp is they get a start and then don't go on bells average could and should be nearer the 50 mark if he pushed on in his innings and didn't get out for 40's 50's 60's etc Okay, sorry mate, it's just far too often you go onto the BBC sites and he's being slated as the worst player ever to pick up a bat for England blah blah blah. I agree Bell needs to push on with his high scores a bit more, but it might also help him become a bit more settled if he didn't keep being shoved around the order to accommodate everyone else. Keep him at 3 or 4, where he bats for Warwickshire when around, rather than anywhere between 2 and 6. |
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Post by Kentucky Kid on Apr 16, 2009 18:54:50 GMT -1
mate i wasen't getting at him i like ian bell i can't understand why he was dropped for owais shah tbh the one criticsm of him which applies to all england players except kp is they get a start and then don't go on bells average could and should be nearer the 50 mark if he pushed on in his innings and didn't get out for 40's 50's 60's etc Okay, sorry mate, it's just far too often you go onto the BBC sites and he's being slated as the worst player ever to pick up a bat for England blah blah blah. I agree Bell needs to push on with his high scores a bit more, but it might also help him become a bit more settled if he didn't keep being shoved around the order to accommodate everyone else. Keep him at 3 or 4, where he bats for Warwickshire when around, rather than anywhere between 2 and 6. i have always said why did england move him from 6 he got 3 tons in a row v pakistan and it was the best he ever batted he knew what his job was and he just got on with it if england can't find a wicketkeeper to bat at 5 or above (this is assuming fred bats at 7) then we should have someone like vikram solanki in the team or let strauss keep both can do more than an adequate job and well there no worse than matt prior behind the stumps |
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Post by thales on Apr 23, 2009 7:35:23 GMT -1
its just like ireland getting trent johnston andre botha and david langford smith what goes around comes around we didn't get them, they all moved to ireland because married irish girls. and play cricket here, wasn't for the money, none are full time! morgan and joyce and a few others play professionally, so have moved to english county teams. as ireland don't play test cricket, thats why declare availability for england and wales ! i do feel that really they should not be picked, if ireland is playing at the level, i.e. 20/20, but should be available for full test, until we reach that level if ever? a bit like brian carney with rugby league for great britain... |
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Apr 23, 2009 17:48:09 GMT -1
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Post by Neko Bazu on Apr 23, 2009 18:11:48 GMT -1
Irelande douze point!
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Post by ovechkin8 on Apr 24, 2009 17:45:54 GMT -1
Ireland should be part of the United Kingdom anyway  Careful what you say Morton or you end up as a member of the scummy Real IRA.  The situation is paralleled in rugby union where the financial strength of NZ and now Australia continues to lure island born players. Recently a Fijian winger who has played for Fiji at schools, youth and junior level and for his district in the newly reorganised domestic structure took up a contract with the Waratahs on the proviso he will be eligible for the Wallabies. Ireland are in a catch 22 .They will never get to Test status if they continue to shed their best players as a feeder 'county' for England. The onus is firmly on the ICC to step up their support financially to fund domestic contracts so Irish players can play like other overseas players for the counties and grant more ODIs 20/20 games with a view to Ireland attaining Test status over the next decade and with another batch of very talented juniors from under 18s down to u11s who have swept the Associates tournaments. Also Irish companies like Eircom should do more as well. |
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on May 4, 2009 19:57:31 GMT -1
Ireland should be part of the United Kingdom anyway Careful what you say Morton or you end up as a member of the scummy Real IRA. que? |
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Durham have been playing a while now. 
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