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Post by ovechkin8 on Jan 12, 2009 22:12:17 GMT -1
What a surprise. All the lies from this most deceitful of governments , Iraq, immigration ,crime, education , etc etc which Minitrue does not have a patch on are further crystallised. Green credentials ? "The Green Belt is a Labour initiative and we intend to build on it." Rare to hear such truth from a politician such as the oafish Prescott. Atlee would be turning in his grave to have such sucessors. What is the point of extra taxes on cars when aircraft cause more pollution esp.in the lower stratosphere and are exempted from fuel tax ? And they may still push ahead for another runway at Stansted. People will still want to come to London. All this rubbish that without a third runway somehow will spend the end of London as one of the worlds great cities is poppycock. BAA and the airlines just want to make more profit without care for the environmental consequences. www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5505435.eceHope there are massive protests . |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 12, 2009 22:17:32 GMT -1
Must admit, I agree with that entirely. I would also point out, though, that the extra pollution generated after the building of that runway would amount to fuck-all in the grand scheme of things - and the whole 'global warming' thing is starting to look rather shaky anyway. I can't help but wonder how many of the local protestors would give a flying fuck (pardon the pun) if the runway were being built in, say, Birmingham instead. Nimbies piss me off  |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jan 13, 2009 14:57:56 GMT -1
Must admit, I agree with that entirely. what a load of bollox dont all companies want to make a profit? or why do they exist? If you dont work at Heathrow you havent got a fucking clue how only having 2 runways impacts 1000 of 1000's of lives every year. All other major airports in Europe have 3/4/5 runways and London is in danger of losing its status as the major hub, in fact it probably already has to Amsterdam and Frankfurt. You dont even mention or think about the tens of tousands of jobs in jeopardy at LHR |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 13, 2009 17:05:11 GMT -1
Must admit, I agree with that entirely. what a load of bollox dont all companies want to make a profit? or why do they exist? If you dont work at Heathrow you havent got a fucking clue how only having 2 runways impacts 1000 of 1000's of lives every year. All other major airports in Europe have 3/4/5 runways and London is in danger of losing its status as the major hub, in fact it probably already has to Amsterdam and Frankfurt. You dont even mention or think about the tens of tousands of jobs in jeopardy at LHR I agreed with the statement, "They want to make more profit." I also perceive that they are more interested in said money than the impact on the environment. I fail to see where I went into the bit about jobs etc?  I also pointed out that I thought the environmental argument, on the global warming front that the protestors are pushing, was a weak one - i.e. I'm not convinced by their arguments against it. |
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Post by ovechkin8 on Jan 13, 2009 17:53:02 GMT -1
The arguments and our collective efforts (I recycle cardboard and everythign else I can use public transport) will be rendered worthless unless America , China and India realise the huge environmental damage they are doing and there is a global rub on population growth in the developing world.
Chinas leaders are realising this. There are already water shortages in NE China and there are plans to re-afforest denuded mountain ranges and preserve lowland temperate forests in the south.
I think when the actual effects hit home is when the idiotic politicians take note.
In this case the ever encroaching desert on Beijing itself.
Politicians are dumb .They know bugger all about anything and should have listenened to the scientists some two decades ago. If they had any sense and Obama could do this is to create an alternative energy infrastructure which would generate jobs in installation of said plants and their manufacture as part of a 'New Deal' for the naughties.
Do you work in the environs of Heathrow COYs ? Even with only two runways its not as if people are going to fly to Frankfurt to conduct business here.
In any case video conferencing could and should eliminate the need for lots of business travel I would have thought. Tough if you are in the wrong timezone but a perhaps necessary sacrifice.
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 13, 2009 17:58:45 GMT -1
Its called progress, whilst the destruction of a village is unfortunate. They will get top dollar from the compulsary purchase order. So whats the problem they be re housed.
We need to move on and if we don't as COYS says we'll get left behind.
Vidoe conferenceing has been around for ages as have conference calls, in the main people don't like it. Furthermore you guage people better face to face
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 13, 2009 18:13:45 GMT -1
Vidoe conferenceing has been around for ages as have conference calls, in the main people don't like it. Furthermore you guage people better face to face Video conferencing, to put it bluntly, tends to be utterly shite. Forget those beautiful images you get in the TV ads; I've sat in a video conference a few times, and even with a top-range system like we have at work, it's still bollocks. You might as well just have a phone call with the phone on loudspeaker and hold a picture of the other people in front of you for all the difference it actually makes. Web-conferencing - software where you could pull up videos, spreadsheets etc on a PC and have it shown around the world - would be far more useful, but it's not exactly commonplace right now. As Hurls says, it's far easier and more effective to just convene face to face. Personally, I'm not convinced that global warming is necessarily a disaster anyway. It would mean a lot of change, yes, but that wouldn't necessarily be bad. It could suddenly become feasible to irrigate the Sahara, for instance - just imagine how much extra crop land that'd provide! I'm all in favour of reducing pollution for the sake of health - it'd just be nice to not have BS taxes levied in the name of global warming that actually achieve fuck-all. |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jan 13, 2009 18:37:41 GMT -1
Do you work in the environs of Heathrow COYs ? Even with only two runways its not as if people are going to fly to Frankfurt to conduct business here. yes i do at T5. and thats where your TOTALLY wrong. We (BA) have lost a huge % of our businesss travellers due to the inefficiency of Heathrow brought about by having only 2 runways. Delays and disruption are less frequent and managed more easily at other European hubs. When the flow rate goes down, ie how many planes can land and take off per hour, other airports have a massive advantage over us and can minimise disruption. |
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Post by ovechkin8 on Jan 13, 2009 18:48:36 GMT -1
I can see the predicament COYs.  And I can see where you are coming from in terms of job security and for other businesses here. But being pro-environment from out of the cradle and honest I'd veto it. Or as the Chinese have done use a brownfield site built from scratch. I would not put it past them to then expand Stansted too and so on at Gatwick as well. Re video conferencing the technology is there to deliver high quality almost real time connections. Surely with the economic crunch unless its really important would it not be better for businesses to avoid more business travel ? Have never used it Hurls so not too sure about it. And in the long term where will aviation be ? I can see hybrid cars being a sucess but what alternative fuel source will be powerful enough to provide sufficient thrust for future aircraft ? They have built a solar glider that circumnaviated the globe with charge storage devices but tis hardly practical. |
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 13, 2009 18:52:08 GMT -1
If it's a meeting between offices of one company then it's OK. personally I prefer conference calls.
However if it was B2B and a final meeting to close a deal I'd never agree to video conference, face to face is much more effective and people are less inclined to say no. Sorry but thats the way sales work
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jan 13, 2009 18:55:13 GMT -1
how are you SO pro environment then ovechkin8
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do you drive?
been on a bus or train?
have central heating in your house?
flown anywhere on holiday?
have a fridge and a telly?
do you use deodorant?
does where you work rely on transport?
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 13, 2009 18:56:43 GMT -1
bit personal Kev, next you'll be asking him if he wears Calvins ;D
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jan 13, 2009 18:57:48 GMT -1
bit personal Kev, next you'll be asking him if he wears Calvins ;D if he does even half those theings he is not pro environmental |
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Post by ovechkin8 on Jan 13, 2009 19:07:13 GMT -1
how are you SO pro environment then ovechkin8 ? do you drive? been on a bus or train? have central heating in your house? flown anywhere on holiday? have a fridge and a telly? do you use deodorant? does where you work rely on transport? I'm a victim of the society I live in . I doth protest my innocence. Use public transport to work. Yes its overcrowded and often late. Yes I fly but rather less than before . If it gets cold just throw on an extra layer of clothing. Uese an energy efficient fridge and always switch off appliances when not required. Roll on for me. Never used an aerosol even now from the time when CFC propellants were being implemented. As I said recycle all that I can (most of which is not reused thanks to the politicians we have) ,grow my own vegetables ,re-use water etc etc have a water butt and been doing that for a decade. Yes the company relies on transport. I asked the managers at the time to avoid leaving lights on unecessarily and workstations etc etc which they did implement. I do what I can mate.  Its a tough business being at the coalface as you are COYs in this matter. Cheers Hurls for the info. Guess you can check on their body language that way. |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jan 13, 2009 19:17:19 GMT -1
how are you SO pro environment then ovechkin8 ? do you drive? been on a bus or train? have central heating in your house? flown anywhere on holiday? have a fridge and a telly? do you use deodorant? does where you work rely on transport? I'm a victim of the society I live in . I doth protest my innocence. Use public transport to work. Yes its overcrowded and often late. Yes I fly but rather less than before . If it gets cold just throw on an extra layer of clothing. Uese an energy efficient fridge and always switch off appliances when not required. Roll on for me. Never used an aerosol even now from the time when CFC propellants were being implemented. As I said recycle all that I can (most of which is not reused thanks to the politicians we have) ,grow my own vegetables ,re-use water etc etc have a water butt and been doing that for a decade. Yes the company relies on transport. I asked the managers at the time to avoid leaving lights on unecessarily and workstations etc etc which they did implement. I do what I can mate. Its a tough business being at the coalface as you are COYs in this matter. Cheers Hurls for the info. Guess you can check on their body language that way. thought so having a third runway is a drop in the ocean to environmental issues when the biggest economy in the world USA dosent sign up to any constrictive measures. Everyone can do more, i recycle as much as possible like you. You could also cycle to work or move a bit nearer if its too far, but you dont. |
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Post by ovechkin8 on Jan 13, 2009 19:50:58 GMT -1
Last time I was on a bike I nearly managed to split my head open.  I'd rather not become a donor prematurely. ;D I'll stick with the train instead of dong a Cameron. Best of luck anyway mate. You all do a grand job in trying circumstances. |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jan 13, 2009 21:06:53 GMT -1
Last time I was on a bike I nearly managed to split my head open. I'd rather not become a donor prematurely. ;D I'll stick with the train instead of dong a Cameron. Best of luck anyway mate. You all do a grand job in trying circumstances. wear a helmet ;D cheers  |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jan 16, 2009 11:41:14 GMT -1
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Post by gt on Jan 16, 2009 12:05:57 GMT -1
It's no Runway 2...
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jan 16, 2009 12:06:51 GMT -1
it will be better |
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And I can see where you are coming from in terms of job security and for other businesses here.
Its a tough business being at the coalface as you are COYs in this matter. 
