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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 10, 2007 11:47:28 GMT -1
Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment...
Lots of people do seem very sure that there's 'something fishy' about the McCanns; certainly the mother, at any rate. While I will agree that they were entirely irresponsible in leaving the children alone - I certainly can't fault those who say they should be tried for neglect, because that's exactly what it was - and I will agree that I don't like the way they've gone off around Europe and constantly kept the story in the press (though from their side, it's arguably a logical step), what have they actually done that warrants the accusations they're getting now? What proof does anyone have - aside from the Portugese police, who aren't allowed to keep the public informed of everything - that they've done anything unseemly beyond leaving their kids behind?
Gut feelings are all well and good, and I agree there's evidence that they can be surprisingly accurate, but they'd never hold up in court. So tell me, why are they so suspicious?
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 10, 2007 11:49:03 GMT -1
Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment... Lots of people do seem very sure that there's 'something fishy' about the McCanns; certainly the mother, at any rate. While I will agree that they were entirely irresponsible in leaving the children alone - I certainly can't fault those who say they should be tried for neglect, because that's exactly what it was - and I will agree that I don't like the way they've gone off around Europe and constantly kept the story in the press (though from their side, it's arguably a logical step), what have they actually done that warrants the accusations they're getting now? What proof does anyone have - aside from the Portugese police, who aren't allowed to keep the public informed of everything - that they've done anything unseemly beyond leaving their kids behind? Gut feelings are all well and good, and I agree there's evidence that they can be surprisingly accurate, but they'd never hold up in court. So tell me, why are they so suspicious? Yes Neko, that's broadly what I was doing... I agree with that analysis, though I wouldn't be surprised if people started thinking that I (and maybe you also) actually enjoy arguing!   |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 10, 2007 11:50:01 GMT -1
Not necessarily true - some people find blog writing therapeutic, and it's a known fact that writing your thoughts down can help you process them and deal with them, regardless of whether you write them on a scrap of paper or in a blog. I know that always works for me. Yea thats right, but something that big id personally perfer to spend time with my family and console them then writing things down. Id perfer peace and to be completely left alone by press Yes, but that's your way. I know when my step-dad died and all the skeletons fell out of his cupboard (and believe me, there were a lot), I found it easier to write it on my blog and hear what my friends thought too - their advice, or even just angry (anger at him) or sympathetic replies helped a lot. Humans are social creatures, and a lot of people are helped by words from others in those situations, as meaningless as they may seem to people on the outside. |
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Post by Stan on Sept 10, 2007 11:51:15 GMT -1
Do they still make great oven chips...?
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Post by Lollipop on Sept 10, 2007 11:53:26 GMT -1
Not judgement, just an opinion. But I'm not a mother - and don't want to be for quite some time - so don't know how I'd react in fairness. Well... like I said I'm not that bothered, but it does seem a bit like judgement to me, everyone seems to know better how to deal with the situation, and everyone seems to think it's "clear" now that the parents are the ones to blame. That seems wrong to me, just saying... *shrugs* Fair play! I concur. But I never said I thought they were to blame. I actually don't think they had any involvement in it - apart from leaving them alone in the hotel room. I think it's because,usually, when a child goes missing, you see the family breaking down in front of the cameras. You see tears and quite obvious heartbreak. In this case we haven't, not that there's anything wrong with that. I presume they want to show a strong united front. |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 10, 2007 11:54:01 GMT -1
Do they still make great oven chips...? Rumour is they're not what they used to be, especially the micro chips... |
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 10, 2007 11:59:39 GMT -1
But I never said I thought they were to blame. I actually don't think they had any involvement in it - apart from leaving them alone in the hotel room. I think it's because,usually, when a child goes missing, you see the family breaking down in front of the cameras. You see tears and quite obvious heartbreak. In this case we haven't, not that there's anything wrong with that. I presume they want to show a strong united front. Okay, well don't take it personally, wasn't aiming my comments at anyone in particular! I generally agree that the parents were indeed negligent, but these things do happen sometimes, probably more often than we realise...  I don't remember, the story's been going for an age. Aren't they both doctors, and indeed Scottish? Both of which (forgive prejudice) tend to make people tougher and less emotional - plus what you say about a strong united front. |
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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 10, 2007 12:00:13 GMT -1
Do they still make great oven chips...? French chips, no? |
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Post by Lollipop on Sept 10, 2007 12:02:19 GMT -1
But I never said I thought they were to blame. I actually don't think they had any involvement in it - apart from leaving them alone in the hotel room. I think it's because,usually, when a child goes missing, you see the family breaking down in front of the cameras. You see tears and quite obvious heartbreak. In this case we haven't, not that there's anything wrong with that. I presume they want to show a strong united front. Okay, well don't take it personally, wasn't aiming my comments at anyone in particular! I generally agree that the parents were indeed negligent, but these things do happen sometimes, probably more often than we realise... I don't remember, the story's been going for an age. Aren't they both doctors, and indeed Scottish? Both of which (forgive prejudice) tend to make people tougher and less emotional - plus what you say about a strong united front. Yeah, I agree. I think the guy is Scottish, but Kate McCann is from Liverpool. |
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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 10, 2007 12:02:21 GMT -1
Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment... Lots of people do seem very sure that there's 'something fishy' about the McCanns; certainly the mother, at any rate. While I will agree that they were entirely irresponsible in leaving the children alone - I certainly can't fault those who say they should be tried for neglect, because that's exactly what it was - and I will agree that I don't like the way they've gone off around Europe and constantly kept the story in the press (though from their side, it's arguably a logical step), what have they actually done that warrants the accusations they're getting now? What proof does anyone have - aside from the Portugese police, who aren't allowed to keep the public informed of everything - that they've done anything unseemly beyond leaving their kids behind? Gut feelings are all well and good, and I agree there's evidence that they can be surprisingly accurate, but they'd never hold up in court. So tell me, why are they so suspicious? Yes Neko, that's broadly what I was doing... I agree with that analysis, though I wouldn't be surprised if people started thinking that I (and maybe you also) actually enjoy arguing! you're just angry and Welsh with a strange penchant for smelly socks   |
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 10, 2007 12:07:23 GMT -1
I think the guy is Scottish, but Kate McCann is from Liverpool. Oh right well... maybe same goes, maybe not for old Lerpwl. I imagine I'd be a wreck if I had a child that went missing, but y'know, it doesn't necessarily help to attempt to imagine one's own reactions... |
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 10, 2007 12:07:57 GMT -1
you're just angry and Welsh with a strange penchant for smelly socks Are you Ben Elton in disguise?! ;D |
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Post by urrzzzzzzzzzz on Sept 10, 2007 12:08:17 GMT -1
I can't see how it could be true. It just seems a bit mad, at the same time it could have been a clever trick to get the public and press on their side. What really peeves me off though is how many kids do you reckon have gone missing since Madeleine did? And nobody knows or gives a damn about them because their parents don't have the money to create the fuss. It's neglecting so many missing kids and their 2 remaining ones, they've handled it badly. You'd think this sort of thing has never happened before judging by the media response.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 10, 2007 12:14:03 GMT -1
I can't see how it could be true. It just seems a bit mad, at the same time it could have been a clever trick to get the public and press on their side. What really peeves me off though is how many kids do you reckon have gone missing since Madeleine did? And nobody knows or gives a damn about them because their parents don't have the money to create the fuss. It's neglecting so many missing kids and their 2 remaining ones, they've handled it badly. You'd think this sort of thing has never happened before judging by the media response. That is something I voiced a while ago too - what is it that's so important about her case? She's certainly not the only British child to be snatched while on holiday in another country, and I don't think even for a second that no British children have gone missing at all since. In fact, I remember when the local ITV news stations would end each broadcast with a 'missing persons' bit, and appeal each day for info on two people who were missing - and I don't suppose the rate's fallen that much since then! |
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 10, 2007 12:14:58 GMT -1
You'd think this sort of thing has never happened before judging by the media response. The media response is always predicated upon "will it sell papers?" And I think this thread (among many others!) proves it does, everyone talks about the poor little girl and the tragedy for her and her parents, everyone speculates about her fate, whether sad death or living hell, everyone yaks on about her parents, their negligence, their continued negligence towards their non-lost children, the competence of foreign police forces, the intricacies of foreign legal systems, etc etc etc! It's great for the tabloids, means they can give a few weeks rest before their next "Was Princess Di Really Abducted By Aliens?!" headline... |
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Post by urrzzzzzzzzzz on Sept 10, 2007 12:15:39 GMT -1
And I also agree with opinions voiced that ask what were her parents doing leaving their children alone for a night? You can say they were checking up etc., but my parents would have never done that when I was young.
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Post by HURLOCK on Sept 10, 2007 12:27:11 GMT -1
you're just angry and Welsh with a strange penchant for smelly socks Are you Ben Elton in disguise?! ;D happily accept his money another suedo torrie |
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Post by jh1980 on Sept 10, 2007 12:31:27 GMT -1
Are you Ben Elton in disguise?! ;D happily accept his money another suedo torrie Haha, I thought your choice of insult was quite Blackadder styled is all, and I believe he was involved with the scriptwriting for that wasn't he?  He's not a Pseudo-Tory! He hated Thatcher as much as everyone else at the time (except clearly you lol!) |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 10, 2007 12:37:05 GMT -1
happily accept his money another suedo torrie Haha, I thought your choice of insult was quite Blackadder styled is all, and I believe he was involved with the scriptwriting for that wasn't he? He's not a Pseudo-Tory! He hated Thatcher as much as everyone else at the time (except clearly you lol!) Well, there is the one live adaptation of Monty Python's dead parrot sketch... Cleese: Excuse me, I wish to complain about this parrot Shopkeeper: What's wrong with it? Cleese: I'll tell you what's wrong - it's dead Shopkeeper: Oh, terribly sorry! Here, let me get you a new one! Cleese: *visibly surprised* *to audience* Well, you can't say Thatcher didn't improve some things! ;D |
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Post by Mrs H on Sept 10, 2007 12:38:55 GMT -1
You'd think this sort of thing has never happened before judging by the media response. The media response is always predicated upon "will it sell papers?" And I think this thread (among many others!) proves it does, everyone talks about the poor little girl and the tragedy for her and her parents, everyone speculates about her fate, whether sad death or living hell, everyone yaks on about her parents, their negligence, their continued negligence towards their non-lost children, the competence of foreign police forces, the intricacies of foreign legal systems, etc etc etc! It's great for the tabloids, means they can give a few weeks rest before their next "Was Princess Di Really Abducted By Aliens?!" headline... The difference is she's a pretty blonde girl from a wealthy, well to do, religious family. If it was some black kid from a council estate the papers wouldn't have pursued it like they have. |
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