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Post by PureOldGold on Jun 11, 2008 11:50:10 GMT -1
Gordon Brown was today accused of introducing so many changes to controversial terror legislation in order to pacify Labour rebels that it had become "unworkable".
In a fierce House of Commons exchange minutes before the critical debate got under way, David Cameron accused Mr Brown of "trashing" British civil liberties by seeking to extend the period of detention-without-charge for terrorist suspects from 28 to 42 days.
Its a tough one, the balance between national security and human rights.
I think the current 28 days is sufficient, its enough time for the police to build a case up against an individual, surely you can't hold an innocent person for 42 days.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jun 11, 2008 13:19:58 GMT -1
I'd have thought the principle of habeus corpus would see this off - but then we've long known MPs will often blindly follow Glorious Leader's commands  I fully expect the House of Lords will block this, at any rate, so it'll just turn into an expensive and time-consuming game of ping-pong until it gets dropped or watered down beyond recognition. I've got a plan if this does go through, mind - I'll quit my job and create a website proclaiming a jihad against something relevant to the time, and talk about how glorious destroying [insert item here] would be. Wouldn't actually follow through with it or do anything remotely incriminating (like, say, buying several tons of fertiliser), but it'll be enough to get their attention and have them arrest me. They'll hold me for 42 days and find absolutely nothing (given that there's nothing to find), whereupon they'll be forced to release me. With all this talk of £3k compensation per day held, that's £126k for one and a half months in a cell - not bad!  So, anyone wanna join me? Only takes two people to create a conspiracy ;D |
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Post by Dr LuKas on Jun 11, 2008 13:39:20 GMT -1
I'm in Neko!
Jihad against people who eat hamburgers!! ;D
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jun 11, 2008 14:55:42 GMT -1
I'm in Neko! Jihad against people who eat hamburgers!! ;D Good call! Filthy McDonalds-eating infedels  |
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jun 11, 2008 17:16:02 GMT -1
28 days with a view to 42 if the extra time is needed. If nothing has been found within 28 days then release them with some form of signing on similar to bail until NFA or charges are brought.
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Post by Dr LuKas on Jun 11, 2008 17:23:32 GMT -1
I'm in Neko! Jihad against people who eat hamburgers!! ;D Good call! Filthy McDonalds-eating infedels So do we split the £3K 50-50 or what? |
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jun 11, 2008 17:27:58 GMT -1
I'm in Neko! Jihad against people who eat hamburgers!! ;D Good call! Filthy McDonalds-eating infedels The streets will run red with blood from the piles of McDonalds eaters. |
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Post by Dr LuKas on Jun 11, 2008 17:30:39 GMT -1
Good call! Filthy McDonalds-eating infedels The streets will run red with blood from the piles of McDonalds eaters. (we're not actually going to kill anyone chops  ) |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jun 11, 2008 17:54:31 GMT -1
Good call! Filthy McDonalds-eating infedels So do we split the £3K 50-50 or what? Oh no; that compo's each! ;D |
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Post by Dr LuKas on Jun 11, 2008 18:01:17 GMT -1
Sweet, set it up man I'll tell all my friends and they'll tell all their friends and that's like............ 5 people right there! ;D
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jun 11, 2008 18:46:31 GMT -1
The streets will run red with blood from the piles of McDonalds eaters. (we're not actually going to kill anyone chops ) I was refering to the cistinct lack of roughage in a McDonalds meal. |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Jun 11, 2008 18:50:04 GMT -1
(we're not actually going to kill anyone chops ) I was refering to the cistinct lack of roughage in a McDonalds meal. i dunno McDonalds is pretty rough ;D |
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Post by PureOldGold on Jun 11, 2008 20:17:25 GMT -1
I'd have thought the principle of habeus corpus would see this off - but then we've long known MPs will often blindly follow Glorious Leader's commands I fully expect the House of Lords will block this, at any rate, so it'll just turn into an expensive and time-consuming game of ping-pong until it gets dropped or watered down beyond recognition. I've got a plan if this does go through, mind - I'll quit my job and create a website proclaiming a jihad against something relevant to the time, and talk about how glorious destroying [insert item here] would be. Wouldn't actually follow through with it or do anything remotely incriminating (like, say, buying several tons of fertiliser), but it'll be enough to get their attention and have them arrest me. They'll hold me for 42 days and find absolutely nothing (given that there's nothing to find), whereupon they'll be forced to release me. With all this talk of £3k compensation per day held, that's £126k for one and a half months in a cell - not bad! So, anyone wanna join me? Only takes two people to create a conspiracy ;D LOL Neko. You talk alot of sense, you'd get my vote if you ever stood in the local elections.  |
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jun 11, 2008 20:30:17 GMT -1
I'd have thought the principle of habeus corpus would see this off - but then we've long known MPs will often blindly follow Glorious Leader's commands I fully expect the House of Lords will block this, at any rate, so it'll just turn into an expensive and time-consuming game of ping-pong until it gets dropped or watered down beyond recognition. I've got a plan if this does go through, mind - I'll quit my job and create a website proclaiming a jihad against something relevant to the time, and talk about how glorious destroying [insert item here] would be. Wouldn't actually follow through with it or do anything remotely incriminating (like, say, buying several tons of fertiliser), but it'll be enough to get their attention and have them arrest me. They'll hold me for 42 days and find absolutely nothing (given that there's nothing to find), whereupon they'll be forced to release me. With all this talk of £3k compensation per day held, that's £126k for one and a half months in a cell - not bad! So, anyone wanna join me? Only takes two people to create a conspiracy ;D LOL Neko. You talk alot of sense, you'd get my vote if you ever stood in the local elections. He lives no where near you POG! |
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Post by PureOldGold on Jun 11, 2008 20:31:56 GMT -1
LOL Neko. You talk alot of sense, you'd get my vote if you ever stood in the local elections. He lives no where near you POG! Did i miss out the IF, damn! ;D |
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Post by Pete the Wolf on Jun 11, 2008 20:32:32 GMT -1
I fully expect the House of Lords will block this, at any rate Isn't there that Act of Parliament or something, which the House of Commons used to force through the bill banning fox hunting though? Anything to prevent that from being invoked again? |
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Post by PureOldGold on Jun 11, 2008 20:36:05 GMT -1
Police are investigating a "serious" security breach after a civil servant lost top-secret documents containing the latest intelligence on al-Qaeda. The unnamed Cabinet Office employee apparently breached strict security rules when he left the papers on the seat of a train. A fellow passenger spotted the envelope containing the files and gave it to the BBC, who handed them to the police. Home Secretary Jacqui Smith now faces demands for an official inquiry. Keith Vaz MP, chairman of the powerful Home Affairs select committee told the BBC: "Such confidential documents should be locked away...they should not be read on trains. What a fucking idiot. |
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Post by PureOldGold on Jun 11, 2008 20:37:11 GMT -1
Prime Minister Gordon Brown has narrowly won a House of Commons vote on extending the maximum time police can hold terror suspects to 42 days.
Thirty-six Labour MPs joined forces with Conservatives and Lib Dems to vote against the proposals.
But that was not enough to defeat them - although the government still faces a battle in the House of Lords.
The 42-day proposal was passed by 315 MPs to 306 - with votes by the nine DUP MPs proving crucial.
But there was uproar in the Commons as the result of the key vote on 42 days was announced after five hours of tense debate - with Tory and Lib Dem MPs shouting "You've been bought" at the DUP benches.
They claim the DUP was offered a string of inducements - including extra financial help for Northern Ireland - to guarantee its support.
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Jun 11, 2008 20:37:32 GMT -1
He lives no where near you POG! Did i miss out the IF, damn! ;D You missed out the 'If we ever come to live near each other' bit. |
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Post by PureOldGold on Jun 11, 2008 20:38:31 GMT -1
I thought enough MPs would block this as well, i expect they'll be pushing for 90 days next like originally planned.
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