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Post by bluey69 on May 5, 2008 10:49:12 GMT -1
ipswich fan
start of the season - i actually better £10 on leicester E/ Way to get promoted believe it or not
i thought - Martin Allens a good manager
stephen clemence/ cort and another new additions would do very well
and ud continue to spend and do well
however - manderic is his usual twattish self..... which is a shame
not a huge leicester fan, but i dont enjoy seeing big clubs like urself in the likes of league 1 !!! its not really on !
however - given the choice of the other big clubs of saints / sheff weds / coventry going down, then for manderic being a twat, i think most football fans will share my opinion in laughing at that stupid nob
hope u get rid of him n build for the future, the man is a dickhead
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Post by NoCanariesAllowed (Ipswich'02) on May 5, 2008 10:58:07 GMT -1
I wouldn't say this is Mandaric's fault. The only mistake Mandaric made was appointing Martin Allen in the first place. He seemed a good choice at the time, but on reflection, the guys he brought in really didn't do the job. Cort was the laziest git I've ever seen (with the exception of Collins John, that is), Stephen Clemence was a disappointment, why the hell Allen brought in so many keepers and barely any midfielders is still beyond me...
As much as I didn't agree with it at the time, Mandaric did the right thing getting rid of Allen. Megson might have done a good job, but that was nothing to do with Mandaric wielding the axe; Megson got a whiff of the opportunity to nearly relegate a Premiership team and leapt at the chance without a care for the club he was leaving in the lurch. I maintain that Holloway was an excellent appointment, but somehow it just didn't work. To be absolutely honest, it wasn't the chairman or the manager that really let the club down in the end; it was the men on the pitch, the guys who played in the Leicester City shirts, but almost never played for them.
I don't think you can put this down to Mandaric therefore. In the long run, it'll be his investment that ensures they get back to where they belong ASAP.
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Post by ancientblade on May 5, 2008 11:05:36 GMT -1
That seems a pretty good assessment. Although, the players Allen brought in may have responded better had he remained as manager.
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Post by ---------a on May 5, 2008 11:15:00 GMT -1
Mandaric is a dirty skate bastard.
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Post by ---------a on May 5, 2008 15:04:27 GMT -1
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Post by GeoFox on May 5, 2008 15:11:48 GMT -1
I agree with most of what NCA has said. I certainly wouldn't label him a 'twat.' He gave significant financial backing to Allen and Mandaric, and wouldn't have expected relegation at all.
Appointing Allen was a mistake, as he made some crap signings, though Milan's meddling in the summer was not helpful, and sacking him so early was probably a mistake too. We had just won 4-1 and Allen at least had the players working hard. But hindsight is a wonderful thing. I thought Holloway was a good choice too, he backed him, has been fairly quiet through this until yesterday night so I can understand his anger.
We'll be in so much more of a mess if he goes.
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Post by bluey69 on May 5, 2008 17:54:38 GMT -1
well ,,,, im not saying Allen is god or ne thing, but if he'd have had the season to do what he wanted, u would have come mid table then he could have gone now, with u in the championship
may have been a slightly disappointing season, but a lot better than what u ended up with. He just sacks people willy nilly. Fair play to Megson for leaving, wouldn't be surprised if a lot of ur fans do now 2
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Post by GeoFox on May 5, 2008 18:02:26 GMT -1
Yes I agree with you bluey, I do not think we would have been relegated with Allen in charge. He did make some poor signings though and the feeling amongst the squad was not great. But hindsight is a wonderful thing, and even when Holloway was appointed in November, I still felt midtable was most likely scenario.
It is however double standards I think to say fair play to Megson for leaving. He was well and truly on the managerial scrap heap when Milan gave him a job here...his reputation tainted and no club would touch him with a barge pole. And at the first opportunity of a Premier League Club coming sniffing he is straight out the door and on the M6 to Bolton.
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Post by PASTIE on May 5, 2008 18:13:34 GMT -1
Is there any mileage in the line that Holloway's manner of leaving Argyle cost him his integrity and credibility and this was reflected in his inability to motivate?
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Post by GeoFox on May 5, 2008 18:22:14 GMT -1
;D nice try PASTIE!  Certainly an interesting theory but I think his failing this season as Leicester manager are just shortcomings and bad decisions. Whilst he won't admit it, I am sure, as he sits at home awaiting that call from the chairman, that he regrets moving here. And most Leicester fans regret it too now! |
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Post by GeoFox on May 5, 2008 18:25:51 GMT -1
...I think there is some mileage though in that he wasn't completely focused on the task in hand in the first month or 2 when he was receiving so much flak from the SW. He was always talking about it and not about Leicester City.
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Post by PASTIE on May 5, 2008 19:08:08 GMT -1
...I think there is some mileage though in that he wasn't completely focused on the task in hand in the first month or 2 when he was receiving so much flak from the SW. He was always talking about it and not about Leicester City. I think I am dismissed too swiftly!!! Holloway's image was the "People's Manager", the decent bloke, one of us... It was his charm and his appeal and he lost it forever. Had he achieved any success at Leicester and had he attracted Premiership attention he would have been gone in seconds, whatever he said. How can you ask for commitment and passion in others when you demonstrate only lies and a mercenary nature in yourself? Had Holloway claimed to be just like anybody else, I would have accepted his decision to leave Argyle with the same grace we did Sturrock. The fact was that he was deceitful and exposed himself as a particularly unpleasant character. I can't believe that this didn't affect some people - including, as you suggest, himself...? |
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Post by GeoFox on May 5, 2008 19:21:31 GMT -1
...I think there is some mileage though in that he wasn't completely focused on the task in hand in the first month or 2 when he was receiving so much flak from the SW. He was always talking about it and not about Leicester City. I think I am dismissed too swiftly!!! Holloway's image was the "People's Manager", the decent bloke, one of us... It was his charm and his appeal and he lost it forever. Had he achieved any success at Leicester and had he attracted Premiership attention he would have been gone in seconds, whatever he said. How can you ask for commitment and passion in others when you demonstrate only lies and a mercenary nature in yourself? Had Holloway claimed to be just like anybody else, I would have accepted his decision to leave Argyle with the same grace we did Sturrock. The fact was that he was deceitful and exposed himself as a particularly unpleasant character. I can't believe that this didn't affect some people - including, as you suggest, himself...? Perhaps...although I still think the link is a bit tedious to explain our relegation. Whilst what you say may be true, I don't think it has a overly big impact, outside the south west. It may have affected him, yes, but in a footballing world where players are moving about all over the place all of the time, some of them kissing badges, jumping into crowds or whatever, I don't think his history at Plymouth will have entered our players' mindsets. More like, Holloway inherited a load of mercenaries on huge over-inflated pay packets for their relative abilities, with no hunger, and couldn't foster the right team ethic. And then by bringing in his own players, we made the same mistake..attracting players by the wages we could afford to pay them, and not getting the best out of them. They don't care, not really, not on more than a personal level. Most will either sod off somewhere else or stay out their contract here on over-inflated wages, like Rab Douglas has done, with no desire to do anything for LCFC. sadly, that is what money does to football, if you don't use it right. |
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Post by PASTIE on May 5, 2008 20:37:42 GMT -1
I think I am dismissed too swiftly!!! Holloway's image was the "People's Manager", the decent bloke, one of us... It was his charm and his appeal and he lost it forever. Had he achieved any success at Leicester and had he attracted Premiership attention he would have been gone in seconds, whatever he said. How can you ask for commitment and passion in others when you demonstrate only lies and a mercenary nature in yourself? Had Holloway claimed to be just like anybody else, I would have accepted his decision to leave Argyle with the same grace we did Sturrock. The fact was that he was deceitful and exposed himself as a particularly unpleasant character. I can't believe that this didn't affect some people - including, as you suggest, himself...? Perhaps...although I still think the link is a bit tedious to explain our relegation. Whilst what you say may be true, I don't think it has a overly big impact, outside the south west. It may have affected him, yes, but in a footballing world where players are moving about all over the place all of the time, some of them kissing badges, jumping into crowds or whatever, I don't think his history at Plymouth will have entered our players' mindsets. More like, Holloway inherited a load of mercenaries on huge over-inflated pay packets for their relative abilities, with no hunger, and couldn't foster the right team ethic. And then by bringing in his own players, we made the same mistake..attracting players by the wages we could afford to pay them, and not getting the best out of them. They don't care, not really, not on more than a personal level. Most will either sod off somewhere else or stay out their contract here on over-inflated wages, like Rab Douglas has done, with no desire to do anything for LCFC. sadly, that is what money does to football, if you don't use it right. :-/Hm... On the plus side, it sounds like Holloway has found lots of soul mates and new friends among the playing staff... |
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Certainly an interesting theory but I think his failing this season as Leicester manager are just shortcomings and bad decisions. Whilst he won't admit it, I am sure, as he sits at home awaiting that call from the chairman, that he regrets moving here. And most Leicester fans regret it too now!