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Post by Roaster©®™ on Dec 15, 2007 1:30:15 GMT -1
Whilst all Premiership clubs want to win the PL it's only feasible to a select few. But at the end of the day does it really matter when in reality clubs are playing for 4th place?
The big money is in the Champions League (but Sky TV pay more to screen domestic league games.....that's a topic for later debate) but by definition that's bollocks!
Call me old fashioned - back-dated, whatever by I think the Champions League should be for League winners only (especially when managers whinge like fuck about too many matches).
Contentious, and I'll probably be shot down in a ball of flames, but why not return to the 'old' formats of European competitions. League Winners play in the Champions League, why not Runners Up play in a Runners Up League, 3r and 4th go in the UEFA Cup. Re-instate the Cup Winners Cup.
The money is still there! But maybe clubs can focus more on domestic cup competitions. League title would be battled for - 2nd just ain't good enough.
And make it knock-out format!
Old fashioned I know - but I am! But when a club can finish third in their domestic league an be crowned European Champions is beyond me!
Back to basics - back to 2 legged KO cups games!
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Post by ovechkin8 on Dec 15, 2007 7:30:47 GMT -1
Couldn't agree more Roaster. Sadlt it will never happen. No more chance of even old famous clubs with decent supporter bases ie Wolves, Sheffield Wednesday ever winning a title.] The sole ambition is to try & stay in the top flight or get there. 1992 signalled the end of the footballing dreams. The rich have got richer .Not only do they sign foreign superstars but they also siphon off youngsters from other clubs academies often detrimentally. Now the G14 are looking to expand to a G70 aiming no doubt for a European superleague aiming to sell huge TV rights to China & India & make themselves even more richer. Something has to be done ie salary caps even a draft policy or why bother ? No more the cyclical rise & fall of clubs ie Huddersfield in the 30s, Wolves in the 50s it will be the same old same old in perpetuity . How dull & boring. The disease is spreading though. Once upon a time three years ago one would be hard pressed to find a Chelsea shirt in Watford. Today I happen to see one of the flourescent horrors on a regular basis. TV & Sky have a lot to answer for.  |
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Post by PASTIE on Dec 16, 2007 18:36:09 GMT -1
"Capitalism is Killing Football" Been banging that drum for a long, long time  |
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Post by Lollipop on Dec 16, 2007 20:18:22 GMT -1
I'm doing my 'half dissertation' on this subject!
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Post by unkownperson on Dec 16, 2007 22:17:31 GMT -1
Been saying it for years Ro and Why is it called Champions league when theres teams 2ond 3rd and 4th in it...
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Post by Neko Bazu on Dec 16, 2007 23:08:52 GMT -1
Been saying it for years Ro and Why is it called Champions league when theres teams 2ond 3rd and 4th in it... Surely "Glory-hunting-fans-league" would be more apt? ;D |
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Post by PASTIE on Dec 16, 2007 23:51:54 GMT -1
I'm doing my 'half dissertation' on this subject! Post it on here! I'd read it |
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Post by Lollipop on Dec 17, 2007 12:51:58 GMT -1
I'm doing my 'half dissertation' on this subject! Post it on here! I'd read it Well I don't thik I'd post it on here, I'd email it to you though. Although I haven't even started it yet lol. Still have lots of research to do. |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Dec 17, 2007 15:07:45 GMT -1
Whilst all Premiership clubs want to win the PL it's only feasible to a select few. But at the end of the day does it really matter when in reality clubs are playing for 4th place? The big money is in the Champions League (but Sky TV pay more to screen domestic league games.....that's a topic for later debate) but by definition that's bollocks! Call me old fashioned - back-dated, whatever by I think the Champions League should be for League winners only (especially when managers whinge like fuck about too many matches). Contentious, and I'll probably be shot down in a ball of flames, but why not return to the 'old' formats of European competitions. League Winners play in the Champions League, why not Runners Up play in a Runners Up League, 3r and 4th go in the UEFA Cup. Re-instate the Cup Winners Cup. The money is still there! But maybe clubs can focus more on domestic cup competitions. League title would be battled for - 2nd just ain't good enough. And make it knock-out format! Old fashioned I know - but I am! But when a club can finish third in their domestic league an be crowned European Champions is beyond me! Back to basics - back to 2 legged KO cups games! well i must be old fashioned as well, cos agree with all of that. Champions League my ARSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by PASTIE on Dec 17, 2007 21:51:25 GMT -1
Post it on here! I'd read it Well I don't thik I'd post it on here, I'd email it to you though. Although I haven't even started it yet lol. Still have lots of research to do. Think of me when it is done - and look out for SWR if he ever gets back on here as he did his final Geography thesis about perceptions of football grounds and I happily read that! |
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Post by mortontheblade on Dec 18, 2007 7:12:24 GMT -1
Sadlt it will never happen. No more chance of even old famous clubs with decent supporter bases ie Wolves, Sheffield Wednesday ever winning a title.] Sheffield WHO? do you mean United...... ;D  I agree with... Call me old fashioned - back-dated, whatever by I think the Champions League should be for League winners only (especially when managers whinge like fuck about too many matches). Contentious, and I'll probably be shot down in a ball of flames, but why not return to the 'old' formats of European competitions. League Winners play in the Champions League, why not Runners Up play in a Runners Up League, 3r and 4th go in the UEFA Cup. Re-instate the Cup Winners Cup. The money is still there! But maybe clubs can focus more on domestic cup competitions. League title would be battled for - 2nd just ain't good enough. And make it knock-out format! Old fashioned I know - but I am! But when a club can finish third in their domestic league an be crowned European Champions is beyond me! Back to basics - back to 2 legged KO cups games! However i now *shockingly* disagree with: Whilst all Premiership clubs want to win the PL it's only feasible to a select few. But at the end of the day does it really matter when in reality clubs are playing for 4th place? (shockingly because for the last few seasons, that as a statement is bang on) I actually think with the amount of money clubs like Spurs, Everton, Man City, Aston Villa, West Ham and (probably still) Newcastle have to throw about these days they can each individually, if well managed, make dints into the "Big 4". After all, if you were to assume the "Big 4" would definitely beat those teams home and away, thats 36 points. But if those teams can turn those defeats into draws, a "Big 4" team would lose 24 points. Obviously thats (^^^) all theoretically mumbo jumbo, but the point i'm making is if all those teams become slightly more competitive both in matches against the "Big 4" and over a season, you'd actually see the "Big 4" reigned in....  Now you may think thats aload of bollocks but look at the table at the minute : (table)Granted Man Utd and Arsenal are miles ahead, atm, but the points difference between 3rd (Chelsea) and 10th (Newcastle) is only NINE POINTS, and if west ham win their game in hand that'll be the points difference between 3rd and ELEVENTH! And lets face it 9 points at this stage of the season is easily bridgeable! Also is can hardly have gone un-seen that Man City are 4th and not yet showing signs of flagging, and Everton are not only on a storming run at the minute but are also absolutely destroying some teams! Don't get me wrong it could all go tits up for the non-"Big 4" teams, but this season alot of them have something they've not had in previous season - CASH and loads of it! |
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Post by PASTIE on Dec 18, 2007 23:25:22 GMT -1
Long thread for Mort...  |
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Post by mortontheblade on Dec 19, 2007 13:19:30 GMT -1
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Post by MRMILLWALL on Dec 19, 2007 14:10:09 GMT -1
Football is dead as i once knew it. I dont know about you lot but i cant or dont want to forgive John Terry & Ashley Cole for not playing Against Croatia and then turning out for Chelsea a few days later.
No sense of national pride they obviously dont earn enough playing for England. God im getting wound up just typing this.....grrrrr footballs now shite!!
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Post by mortontheblade on Dec 19, 2007 23:05:45 GMT -1
tis sad that there is no pride in playing for England anymore |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Dec 20, 2007 9:21:23 GMT -1
Football is dead as i once knew it. I dont know about you lot but i cant or dont want to forgive John Terry & Ashley Cole for not playing Against Croatia and then turning out for Chelsea a few days later. No sense of national pride they obviously dont earn enough playing for England. God im getting wound up just typing this.....grrrrr footballs now shite!! it was a disgrace and happens all the time. A rule where if you dont play for your country you are sidelined for a week or something along those lines should be brought in |
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Post by T C on Dec 21, 2007 15:58:47 GMT -1
the champions league should be just the winners but from Every country in Europe to make it interesting with a knockout system....and no favouritism ! That way we could have a crap team win it ( as per norm )
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Post by mias on Feb 1, 2008 15:39:28 GMT -1
I don't think it is necessarily tv money that is ruining football,
but the uneven distribution of it.
I agree with everything re the 'champions' league, but the accountants only care that they qualify, and not whether they win the PL to get there.
The best thing that could happen to football this season is that 2 of the big 4 don't qualify. Liverpool are already struggling to make it. Let's hope Chelsea slip up as well.
Personally, I think a European breakaway league would be good for football in the long run. Covered by sky, it would end up like the harlem globetrotter, entertaining but ultimately meaningless.
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Feb 1, 2008 16:54:54 GMT -1
Whilst all Premiership clubs want to win the PL it's only feasible to a select few. But at the end of the day does it really matter when in reality clubs are playing for 4th place? The big money is in the Champions League (but Sky TV pay more to screen domestic league games.....that's a topic for later debate) but by definition that's bollocks! Call me old fashioned - back-dated, whatever by I think the Champions League should be for League winners only (especially when managers whinge like fuck about too many matches). Contentious, and I'll probably be shot down in a ball of flames, but why not return to the 'old' formats of European competitions. League Winners play in the Champions League, why not Runners Up play in a Runners Up League, 3r and 4th go in the UEFA Cup. Re-instate the Cup Winners Cup. The money is still there! But maybe clubs can focus more on domestic cup competitions. League title would be battled for - 2nd just ain't good enough. And make it knock-out format! Old fashioned I know - but I am! But when a club can finish third in their domestic league an be crowned European Champions is beyond me! Back to basics - back to 2 legged KO cups games! I am as old fashioned as you RO - the European cup was for the best team from each league, the uefa cup was for the runners up and the cup winners cup did exactly what it said on the tin. Thats how it should be - games over 2 legs and no fucking about with leagues to enter leagues and all that bollox. Nobody gives a flying toss about the uefa cup til the last 16! I'm quickly losing interest in the BIG 4, and the hold they have over the rest of the league (playing weakened squads in the cups etc) and as Mias siad, maybe a european super league would be the best thing that could happen! |
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