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Post by ollietimms on Jan 15, 2008 21:04:43 GMT -1
Then Your A C***!  All I Wanted To Say! Thankyou. |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 15, 2008 22:31:47 GMT -1
Personally, I download them, and if they're any good, I buy them and delete the downloaded file. If they're pap, I just delete them. The only ones I've kept are ones like Labyrinth, The Princess Bride, Dark Crystal etc that I have on VHS already (thus have paid for).
I used to use the cinema to pre-scout them, but frankly I refuse to pay the extortionate prices they demand now. If all this makes me a c***, then so be it. I can think of far worse things I could do.
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Post by ollietimms on Jan 16, 2008 9:58:07 GMT -1
Sorry for the outburst, but its a rather touchy subject! From downloading films or buying pirate copies people are destorying the industry. Thousands of people are loosing their jobs because of this, 2 of which were my dad and uncle. And thats not half of the things they lost from this!  If you havent allready noticed, Blockbusters are closing down gradually, which were a big customer for them. Just think of the people who are loosing their jobs! As the advert says, PIRACY/DOWNLOADING FILMS IS A CRIME! |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 16, 2008 10:33:17 GMT -1
Sorry for the outburst, but its a rather touchy subject! From downloading films or buying pirate copies people are destorying the industry. Thousands of people are loosing their jobs because of this, 2 of which were my dad and uncle. And thats not half of the things they lost from this! If you havent allready noticed, Blockbusters are closing down gradually, which were a big customer for them. Just think of the people who are loosing their jobs! As the advert says, PIRACY/DOWNLOADING FILMS IS A CRIME! And as I said, if it's something worth buying, I'll buy a legitimate copy. So they don't lose any money in the way I use it - if anything, they get more out of me because I've bought a few DVDs that I otherwise wouldn't have considered! I'd draw a distinction between downloading and buying pirate copies anyway - but that's a long debate in itself. It'd help if there were more films worth re-watching (i.e. worth buying the disc for instead of just renting) now too! People flogging stuff cheap on ebay doesn't help either, but then if they can afford to undercut Blockbuster by £4 even with legit products, that's up to Blockbuster to sort out! |
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Post by Coxy™ on Jan 21, 2008 16:32:21 GMT -1
i use to but its coz i cant wait till they are out on dvd and like Neko said if i like them i will get them i have about 300 dvds, copying in the u.s is not a problem, thats coz they dont get ripped off like we do in the uk, if they cut the dvd price down ppl would not need to download them, saying that they have come down alot, i know a site where i can buy any dvd i want for £1 a copy or 12 for £10 but i dont. but its not coz of the industry, dare say ollie if you didnt have family in the industry you would do it too, if i can remember not long ago you ask me to do you a copy of photoshop is that not the same thing |
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Jan 21, 2008 19:16:14 GMT -1
Then Your A C***! All I Wanted To Say! Thankyou. I do, i download music as well - its to save money from the greedy bastards charging you fortunes for a film or CD! I do buy originals if its a film i really like and want to keep for a long time, otherwise i buy it cheap and dont worry about it. so then Ollie - piracy of a photshop programme is ok then is it? Double standards mate! |
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Post by Travis on Jan 21, 2008 20:38:28 GMT -1
I also download some music; if there happens to be an album I'm curious about but unsure whether to bother buying, I'll download it. If I enjoy it then I'll then buy a physical copy of it (although probably in the sales!  ), if it's poor then I won't bother. I guess I work on the principle that if it's worth listening to, it's worth paying for. I use the same principles with films. If a film excites me enough I'll go to the cinema, if not I'll rent it. If the film's great I'll buy it on dvd, if I enjoyed it but not enough to buy it then I may take a copy so I can re-watch it again an make an informed decision. Anything I copy is usually a dvd I wouldn't buy otherwise. It may not be ethical, strictly speaking, but the record and movie industries still do VERY nicely out of me. |
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Post by JimboTheRam on Jan 21, 2008 20:47:00 GMT -1
We work too hard for so little to go frittering money away on exorbitantly priced CD's and DVD's. Free downloads help you to decide whether it's worth buying or not, if you decide it isn't the industry aren't losing any money cos you wouldn't have bothered buying it anyway as you were unsure, you would borrow it from a mate (for free) which is pretty much the same thing. Anything I like I'll happily pay for (for a reduced price on eBay).
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Post by ollietimms on Jan 22, 2008 22:14:29 GMT -1
Cheeky buggers ;D Im talking about films, not cd's and photoshop! ;D I admitt to the photoshop incident, but I ended up getting the real 1 instead, which WAS paid for! And I pay for ALL my music on iTunes!  You say DVD's are overpriced, and I agree to the extent that they shouldnt be priced over £10..but does that mean going to the cinema is overpriced? whats that £5/6 on some occasion's?! So if you buy a DVD for around the £10 mark, which you can quite easily do providing its not a brand spanking new title, you can watch it as many times as you like, whenever you like, with whoever you like. Im sure the purpose of buying a DVD is so that you can do all of those?  So for the sake of £4 you'd rather see a movie alone, only 1 time, at a specific time, with chav's running round and a chinese man stood at the back filming it? Give me credit where due, I put up a good argument! ;D |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 23, 2008 7:42:26 GMT -1
Cheeky buggers ;D Im talking about films, not cd's and photoshop! ;D I admitt to the photoshop incident, but I ended up getting the real 1 instead, which WAS paid for! And I pay for ALL my music on iTunes! You say DVD's are overpriced, and I agree to the extent that they shouldnt be priced over £10..but does that mean going to the cinema is overpriced? whats that £5/6 on some occasion's?! So if you buy a DVD for around the £10 mark, which you can quite easily do providing its not a brand spanking new title, you can watch it as many times as you like, whenever you like, with whoever you like. Im sure the purpose of buying a DVD is so that you can do all of those? So for the sake of £4 you'd rather see a movie alone, only 1 time, at a specific time, with chav's running round and a chinese man stood at the back filming it? Give me credit where due, I put up a good argument! ;D Films, software, same difference in the eyes of the law And as you said, you went on to buy the real one, which is what we've all said we do! Get off that high horse and drink your milk  |
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 23, 2008 8:04:20 GMT -1
Then Your A C***! All I Wanted To Say! Thankyou. Bit strong, has always been a problem. The industry has been very slow to react to whats going on. I've downloaded music and payed for it, mucher cheaper than itunes. Also play.com has sold stuff way cheaper online for years and yet the market has only just responded by matching their prices. Smacks of shit management to me! So are we c*nts for trying to get the best deal, or are the management of these media companies 'greedy c*nts' |
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Jan 23, 2008 9:03:17 GMT -1
Cheeky buggers ;D Im talking about films, not cd's and photoshop! ;D I admitt to the photoshop incident, but I ended up getting the real 1 instead, which WAS paid for! And I pay for ALL my music on iTunes! You say DVD's are overpriced, and I agree to the extent that they shouldnt be priced over £10..but does that mean going to the cinema is overpriced? whats that £5/6 on some occasion's?! So if you buy a DVD for around the £10 mark, which you can quite easily do providing its not a brand spanking new title, you can watch it as many times as you like, whenever you like, with whoever you like. Im sure the purpose of buying a DVD is so that you can do all of those? So for the sake of £4 you'd rather see a movie alone, only 1 time, at a specific time, with chav's running round and a chinese man stood at the back filming it? Give me credit where due, I put up a good argument! ;D Not really Ollie, and thats one hell of a comedown for "you're all c*nts" |
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Post by ollietimms on Jan 23, 2008 12:43:33 GMT -1
Ok I admitt it was a harsh thing to say, but I was pissed off because my dad's lost his job because of it, and im sure you can all understand that! Im sorry if anyone took offence to that comment, but I was just sharing my opinion on the subject, or basically saying, I disagree with what you are doing. Although if you personally are going around selling pirate's I completely back up my comment! You should of seen my reaction to a Chinese man in London trying to sell me pirate's! ;D Nothing at all wrong with play.com, because you are buying real dvd's, even though they are slightly cheaper, its the fakes that I have a problem with. DVD's were never too expensive before all this piracy was about, people just THINK they are now because the cheaper (shite) is available. Say an average DVD is about £10. think of all the people involved in putting that DVD together: All the cast, directors Editors Distrubutors Graphic Designers Printers etc A normal DVD disc, in a case, no sleeve costs around £1.50 to make. Then all the other packaging around another £1. So about £2.50 on just the DVD, you ask. What about paying all those people's wages? Plus they have to make a small proffit on each DVD, so in my opinion I would happily pay £10 for a DVD. |
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 23, 2008 12:48:40 GMT -1
LondonRam - the more compelling argument is about piracy and links to other organised crime, sex traffickers etc.
However I don't believe that what most people here are owning up to contributes to those problems.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 23, 2008 13:26:40 GMT -1
LondonRam - the more compelling argument is about piracy and links to other organised crime, sex traffickers etc. However I don't believe that what most people here are owning up to contributes to those problems. In short, the "money funds criminals" case - which is entirely true. However, our legitimate money also funds the masses of film stars and artists that take illegal drugs - so in response to that argument, when they stop breaking the law, so will I! ;D LR, most of a DVD's value is actually profit - the majority of the film's budget, including wages, is recouped from the box office release (often surpassing it nowadays). I do see your point, but that only really applies in the case of straight-to-DVD releases, which are often low-budget anyway and so have fewer costs to recover. I honestly do sympathise with your dad losing his job, but I ask this question - if play.com, independant sellers on ebay, amazon.com etc can all make a decent profit selling legitimate items at such low prices, why do Blockbuster struggle? If they sold at lower prices - which they could; they'll get their stock cheaper than those companies because of negotiating power - then they'd be competitive and thus not have to sack staff. Instead, they'd rather maximise their profits - and if it means shedding a few people along the way, so be it. As long as the shareholders are happy and the board get their bonuses, right? Don't get me wrong; I'm not condoning illegal downloads in any way, and certainly not buying or selling pirate copies - I'm just saying there are more factors at work than that. |
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Post by Travis on Jan 23, 2008 13:29:25 GMT -1
LondonRam - the more compelling argument is about piracy and links to other organised crime, sex traffickers etc. However I don't believe that what most people here are owning up to contributes to those problems. In short, the "money funds criminals" case - which is entirely true. However, our legitimate money also funds the masses of film stars and artists that take illegal drugs - so in response to that argument, when they stop breaking the law, so will I! ;D LR, most of a DVD's value is actually profit - the majority of the film's budget, including wages, is recouped from the box office release (often surpassing it nowadays). I do see your point, but that only really applies in the case of straight-to-DVD releases, which are often low-budget anyway and so have less cost to recoup. I honestly do sympathise with your dad losing his job, but I ask this question - if play.com, independant sellers on ebay, amazon.com etc can all make a decent profit selling legitimate items at such low prices, why do Blockbuster struggle? If they sold at lower prices - which they could; they'll get their stock cheaper than those companies because of negotiating power - then they'd be competitive and thus not have to sack staff. Instead, they'd rather maximise their profits - and if it means shedding a few people along the way, so be it. As long as the shareholders are happy and the board get their bonuses, right? Don't get me wrong; I'm not condoning illegal downloads in any way, and certainly not buying or selling pirate copies - I'm just saying there are more factors at work than that. I never buy pirated dvds, i just make the odd copy myself. Does that mean I'm cleansed of all guilt? ;D |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 23, 2008 13:35:47 GMT -1
I never buy pirated dvds, i just make the odd copy myself. Does that mean I'm cleansed of all guilt? ;D No; people like you are the scum of the Earth, not even making money out of it Can't say as I'm entirely innocent on that front, though my copied stuff is generally stuff that's not likely to ever be released over here - or alternatively, anime that's 200+ episodes long and being sold 3-4 episodes per disc for £20 a time! |
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 23, 2008 13:37:24 GMT -1
*shrugs* I don't actually care enough to get into this!  |
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Post by Travis on Jan 23, 2008 13:41:50 GMT -1
I never buy pirated dvds, i just make the odd copy myself. Does that mean I'm cleansed of all guilt? ;D No; people like you are the scum of the Earth, not even making money out of it Can't say as I'm entirely innocent on that front, though my copied stuff is generally stuff that's not likely to ever be released over here - or alternatively, anime that's 200+ episodes long and being sold 3-4 episodes per disc for £20 a time! Welll about 10% of my dvds are copies of films I'd probably never buy or maybe even watch purposely again. I only have maybe a dozen or so illegally downloaded albums, though out of nearly a thousand I guess that's fairly insigificant. And if I do love the album, I'll buy it eventually anyway. |
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Post by Dr LuKas on Jan 23, 2008 13:49:07 GMT -1
When you think about it watching films online isn't much different from borrowing your mates DVDs. Argue with that. |
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), if it's poor then I won't bother. I guess I work on the principle that if it's worth listening to, it's worth paying for.
So for the sake of £4 you'd rather see a movie alone, only 1 time, at a specific time, with chav's running round and a chinese man stood at the back filming it?
