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Post by mackemmagician73 on Aug 25, 2006 18:53:59 GMT -1
If Bruce Lee was still alive do you think that anybody could of beat him in a fight?
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Post by mrdragon on Aug 25, 2006 18:56:45 GMT -1
That kid from the Frosties advert could take him.
Although Jet Li is good, I don't think he would have beaten Bruce. He may have been the closest though.
Obviously, you could find some 80 year old Shao-lin who would take off Bruce Lee's head with just a fingernail, so I assume we are just talking actor/martial artists in a stand up fight?
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Post by fcredblue on Aug 25, 2006 18:57:00 GMT -1
AIDS could...
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Post by mackemmagician73 on Aug 25, 2006 18:58:13 GMT -1
despite AIDS a firm possibility Bruce Lee himself was a great martial artist and am talkin about anyone
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Post by mackemmagician73 on Aug 25, 2006 19:01:19 GMT -1
I mean for Enter The Dragon they had to slow down the camera's so that they could see him punching!
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Post by embarossed on Aug 25, 2006 21:36:15 GMT -1
If Bruce Lee was still alive do you think that anybody could of beat him in a fight? I'd kick his arse. What a stupid question. Only Chuck Norris could beat him.
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Post by travisfickle on Sept 3, 2006 11:26:38 GMT -1
If Bruce Lee was still alive do you think that anybody could of beat him in a fight? Ben Thatcher??
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 4, 2006 7:12:31 GMT -1
Although I wouldn't like to say he could beat him, my Sifu from the Wing Chun academy I went to would give him a hell of a run for his money if he didn't win. Wing Chun doesn't have an official Grandmaster (the last one died without naming a successor) but Sifu Andrew Sofos is considered to be one of three in the whole world who could take up the mantle if it were offered. To give you an idea of how highly-regarded he is, the last Shaolin grandmaster, Cecil Cheng, gave Sofos his beads on his deathbed - which is a pretty high honour, I'm sure any of you would agree! The biggest drawback for Sofos would, of course, be that since Bruce Lee started out learning Wing Chun, he'd know Sofos's moves pretty well, whereas I don't believe Sofos is well-practiced in Jeet Kun Do Agreed with one of the earlier remarks though - there's probably a couple of Shaolin monks that'd eat Lee for breakfast!
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Post by embarossed on Sept 4, 2006 11:56:23 GMT -1
Although I wouldn't like to say he could beat him, my Sifu from the Wing Chun academy I went to would give him a hell of a run for his money if he didn't win. Wing Chun doesn't have an official Grandmaster (the last one died without naming a successor) but Sifu Andrew Sofos is considered to be one of three in the whole world who could take up the mantle if it were offered. To give you an idea of how highly-regarded he is, the last Shaolin grandmaster, Cecil Cheng, gave Sofos his beads on his deathbed - which is a pretty high honour, I'm sure any of you would agree! The biggest drawback for Sofos would, of course, be that since Bruce Lee started out learning Wing Chun, he'd know Sofos's moves pretty well, whereas I don't believe Sofos is well-practiced in Jeet Kun Do Agreed with one of the earlier remarks though - there's probably a couple of Shaolin monks that'd eat Lee for breakfast! Yeh, if I'm gonna answer the question seriously you'd have to go for a trditionally trained Shaolin monk. Otherwise, anybody trained in a specific martial art would struggle, seeing as Lee pretty much invented Jeet Kun Do by taking the most effective parts from alot of martial arts.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 4, 2006 12:41:10 GMT -1
Although I wouldn't like to say he could beat him, my Sifu from the Wing Chun academy I went to would give him a hell of a run for his money if he didn't win. Wing Chun doesn't have an official Grandmaster (the last one died without naming a successor) but Sifu Andrew Sofos is considered to be one of three in the whole world who could take up the mantle if it were offered. To give you an idea of how highly-regarded he is, the last Shaolin grandmaster, Cecil Cheng, gave Sofos his beads on his deathbed - which is a pretty high honour, I'm sure any of you would agree! The biggest drawback for Sofos would, of course, be that since Bruce Lee started out learning Wing Chun, he'd know Sofos's moves pretty well, whereas I don't believe Sofos is well-practiced in Jeet Kun Do Agreed with one of the earlier remarks though - there's probably a couple of Shaolin monks that'd eat Lee for breakfast! Yeh, if I'm gonna answer the question seriously you'd have to go for a trditionally trained Shaolin monk. Otherwise, anybody trained in a specific martial art would struggle, seeing as Lee pretty much invented Jeet Kun Do by taking the most effective parts from alot of martial arts. To be fair, even the Shaolin monks train in 'a specific art' - they'll usually take a particular type of Kung Fu (e.g. Snake, Tiger etc). which is why, between them, you see variations in the way they fight. Wing Chun was developed as an art that could counter all existing arts at that time (around 200 or 400 years ago, I believe) and the actual principles and mechanics behind it are just as effective against the newer arts too (i.e. "Why go for a kick to the head when you can land four punches in the same amount of time?"). This and certain forms of Kung Fu, probably Snake or Monkey, are probably the arts that would stand the best chance against him. I certainly wouldn't fancy things such as Judo (good art, but it was invented as a sport and for street self-defence, really) or the more extravagant 'power-based' arts such as Karate and Tai Kwon Do against him - you'd need either speed (Wing Chun, Snake etc) or something that restricts what you can do very quickly (Monkey or the Dim Mak techniques used in Tien Hsueh) to have a chance. Perhaps someone who trained up to 'Master' level in Wing Chun at a young age, moved on to Snake Kung Fu and mixed them with Dim Mak... That'd be a fight I'd pay to see ;D (Or, you know, see the blurs, at least :
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Post by embarossed on Sept 4, 2006 12:53:14 GMT -1
I know the Shaolin monks choose a specific style to train in, but it's the level of which that they achieve. I agree that you're more mainstream arts like Tai Kwon Do and Karate (probably Shotokan) would be pretty ineffective against Bruce Lee. To be fair, in all of this, just someone who is learned in a couple of styles but is as hard as nails might beat Lee. I've known people who were really good at a martial art but got their arses kicked in a proper fight. Clearly Brucey's on another level, but I still say an all round headcase with a high level of resilience would have a fair crack.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 4, 2006 13:04:24 GMT -1
I know the Shaolin monks choose a specific style to train in, but it's the level of which that they achieve. I agree that you're more mainstream arts like Tai Kwon Do and Karate (probably Shotokan) would be pretty ineffective against Bruce Lee. To be fair, in all of this, just someone who is learned in a couple of styles but is as hard as nails might beat Lee. I've known people who were really good at a martial art but got their arses kicked in a proper fight. Clearly Brucey's on another level, but I still say an all round headcase with a high level of resilience would have a fair crack. I'd have to disagree with that last statement; against someone like him, you'd have to know how to defend yourself, and I mean totally instinctively. He could break bones with single punches, and no amount of resilience will help you if you've got three elbows on each arm all of a sudden! Agreed that quality is definitely better than knowing several arts though. I'm actually quite surprised Jackie Chan's name hasn't been mentioned; IMO he's superior to Jet Li. You only ever see him performing comedy arts in his films, really, but when you look at certain subtleties in his movements (e.g. 'simple' stunts like running up a metal pole at 45°) there's a hell of a lot he isn't showing you. Jet Li makes perhaps a little too much use of digital help, I think - I know he does have films where he has pure fighting instead of Hollywood effects, but I've seen better Incidentally, there's this one Thai guy who's awesome too, called Tony Jaa - he's done a few low-budget films... like, so low-budget that all the blood is real; they just hired locals instead of stuntmen and paid them well (fyi, these were filmed in Thailand, so they can get away with it there ). You have to watch them to appreciate what he's like, but he could leave handprints in your rib-cage too!
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Post by embarossed on Sept 4, 2006 13:14:20 GMT -1
I know the Shaolin monks choose a specific style to train in, but it's the level of which that they achieve. I agree that you're more mainstream arts like Tai Kwon Do and Karate (probably Shotokan) would be pretty ineffective against Bruce Lee. To be fair, in all of this, just someone who is learned in a couple of styles but is as hard as nails might beat Lee. I've known people who were really good at a martial art but got their arses kicked in a proper fight. Clearly Brucey's on another level, but I still say an all round headcase with a high level of resilience would have a fair crack. I'd have to disagree with that last statement; against someone like him, you'd have to know how to defend yourself, and I mean totally instinctively. He could break bones with single punches, and no amount of resilience will help you if you've got three elbows on each arm all of a sudden! Agreed that quality is definitely better than knowing several arts though. I'm actually quite surprised Jackie Chan's name hasn't been mentioned; IMO he's superior to Jet Li. You only ever see him performing comedy arts in his films, really, but when you look at certain subtleties in his movements (e.g. 'simple' stunts like running up a metal pole at 45°) there's a hell of a lot he isn't showing you. Jet Li makes perhaps a little too much use of digital help, I think - I know he does have films where he has pure fighting instead of Hollywood effects, but I've seen better Incidentally, there's this one Thai guy who's awesome too, called Tony Jaa - he's done a few low-budget films... like, so low-budget that all the blood is real; they just hired locals instead of stuntmen and paid them well (fyi, these were filmed in Thailand, so they can get away with it there ). You have to watch them to appreciate what he's like, but he could leave handprints in your rib-cage too! Tony Jaa rocks, I saw a film with him in a few weeks ago. I was too stoned to recall the name (or if it even had one) but he was impressive. Jet Li is hard despite the fact that nowadays there's alot of effects used, but nowhere near as hard as Jackie Chan. The fact that Chan made his films so tongue in cheek makes people think he isn't actually as hard as he is. As regards famous people go, I'd say Chan would be number one contender to fight Lee. If only it could be done....
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Post by Giar on Sept 4, 2006 13:26:56 GMT -1
chan couldnt even come close. your rite he is prob no 1 contender but bruce was one seriously hard mofo!! that chuck norris ponse would have got a beating if he had tried!!! in the last scene of 'enter the dragon' they actually got 2 real gangs to have a scrap to make it more realistic. and some of the blokes he knocks out are real blokes trying to have a pop and he does them no problem!!! AWSOME FILM!
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Post by embarossed on Sept 4, 2006 13:49:53 GMT -1
chan couldnt even come close. your rite he is prob no 1 contender but bruce was one seriously hard mofo!! that chuck norris ponse would have got a beating if he had tried!!! in the last scene of 'enter the dragon' they actually got 2 real gangs to have a scrap to make it more realistic. and some of the blokes he knocks out are real blokes trying to have a pop and he does them no problem!!! AWSOME FILM! My suggestion of Chuck Norris was a joke, but he is a pretty hard chap look here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_NorrisHe'd get nowhere near Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan I reckon, but those Chuck Norris facts thingies were based on the fact that he is a double hard bastard.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 4, 2006 13:55:04 GMT -1
chan couldnt even come close. your rite he is prob no 1 contender but bruce was one seriously hard mofo!! that chuck norris ponse would have got a beating if he had tried!!! in the last scene of 'enter the dragon' they actually got 2 real gangs to have a scrap to make it more realistic. and some of the blokes he knocks out are real blokes trying to have a pop and he does them no problem!!! AWSOME FILM! I think the thing about Lee is that the fact he's dead now has turned him almost into a legendary figure - he's almost beyond human. The thing is, he was just a man, and while I do not for one second question that he was truly a great martial artist, he wasn't unbeatable. I don't think it's fair to say Chan wouldn't come close - I think in either case, it'd be a question of who could land the first head-shot (massively dazed and then beaten silly as you recover) and while Lee was very fast in attack, I don't know how his defence was. In that respect, Chan could out-do him, possibly (I believe he has dabbled in Monkey, which - as I noted earlier - could give him an edge), which would in turn leave him with the first chance to land the first head-shot. That's why I advocated Wing Chun against Lee too - when defending, part of you remains in contact with your opponent at all times, and a genuine master can tell what your right foot's doing while touching your left hand with his fingertips and his eyes closed. In that respect, the defendee can anticipate the next attack, whereas Lee tended to work more on the principle of hitting them first and constantly hitting them - watch him in his films, he frequently breaks contact so as to attack. Like I said, the man was undeniably amazing, but he's not unbeatable.
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Post by Giar on Sept 4, 2006 13:57:33 GMT -1
chan couldnt even come close. your rite he is prob no 1 contender but bruce was one seriously hard mofo!! that chuck norris ponse would have got a beating if he had tried!!! in the last scene of 'enter the dragon' they actually got 2 real gangs to have a scrap to make it more realistic. and some of the blokes he knocks out are real blokes trying to have a pop and he does them no problem!!! AWSOME FILM! My suggestion of Chuck Norris was a joke, but he is a pretty hard chap look here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_NorrisHe'd get nowhere near Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan I reckon, but those Chuck Norris facts thingies were based on the fact that he is a double hard bastard. sorry mate i wasnt payin enough attention so i didnt pic up on it
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Post by Giar on Sept 4, 2006 14:09:32 GMT -1
I think the thing about Lee is that the fact he's dead now has turned him almost into a legendary figure - he's almost beyond human. The thing is, he was just a man, and while I do not for one second question that he was truly a great martial artist, he wasn't unbeatable. I don't think it's fair to say Chan wouldn't come close - I think in either case, it'd be a question of who could land the first head-shot (massively dazed and then beaten silly as you recover) and while Lee was very fast in attack, I don't know how his defence was. In that respect, Chan could out-do him, possibly (I believe he has dabbled in Monkey, which - as I noted earlier - could give him an edge), which would in turn leave him with the first chance to land the first head-shot. That's why I advocated Wing Chun against Lee too - when defending, part of you remains in contact with your opponent at all times, and a genuine master can tell what your right foot's doing while touching your left hand with his fingertips and his eyes closed. In that respect, the defendee can anticipate the next attack, whereas Lee tended to work more on the principle of hitting them first and constantly hitting them - watch him in his films, he frequently breaks contact so as to attack. Like I said, the man was undeniably amazing, but he's not unbeatable. good call on the defence thing. but with the whole keeping contact thing i think mr lee would still have that sorted. the guy moved in and out of attacks sooo damn fast that if you were trying to move with him as well as trying to get a punch in you would be screwed. he def wasnt unbeatable though your rite cause if you can get sparked by a head ache tablet im sure at least 1 bloke out there could have you! lol
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 4, 2006 14:14:02 GMT -1
I think the thing about Lee is that the fact he's dead now has turned him almost into a legendary figure - he's almost beyond human. The thing is, he was just a man, and while I do not for one second question that he was truly a great martial artist, he wasn't unbeatable. I don't think it's fair to say Chan wouldn't come close - I think in either case, it'd be a question of who could land the first head-shot (massively dazed and then beaten silly as you recover) and while Lee was very fast in attack, I don't know how his defence was. In that respect, Chan could out-do him, possibly (I believe he has dabbled in Monkey, which - as I noted earlier - could give him an edge), which would in turn leave him with the first chance to land the first head-shot. That's why I advocated Wing Chun against Lee too - when defending, part of you remains in contact with your opponent at all times, and a genuine master can tell what your right foot's doing while touching your left hand with his fingertips and his eyes closed. In that respect, the defendee can anticipate the next attack, whereas Lee tended to work more on the principle of hitting them first and constantly hitting them - watch him in his films, he frequently breaks contact so as to attack. Like I said, the man was undeniably amazing, but he's not unbeatable. good call on the defence thing. but with the whole keeping contact thing i think mr lee would still have that sorted. the guy moved in and out of attacks sooo damn fast that if you were trying to move with him as well as trying to get a punch in you would be screwed. he def wasnt unbeatable though your rite cause if you can get sparked by a head ache tablet im sure at least 1 bloke out there could have you! lol Again, Wing Chun specifically trains to move in and out with attackers and to deflect attacks while twisting out of the way - you comfortably get a full 8ins-1ft gap between you and your opponent's fist when executed properly. Also, for all this talk of speed, Sifu Andrew can throw 12 punches in a second - I'm pretty sure that matches Lee for speed! Thinking back, I'd like to withdraw my Tony Jaa nomination - I don't think he would have matched Lee, in honesty... the guy is undeniably rock hard, but I just don't think he'd be able to keep up the pace.
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Post by Giar on Sept 4, 2006 14:17:49 GMT -1
FUCK A DUCK!!!!!! 12 punches in 1 second?!?!?!? sod messing with that mofo! you know your stuff on the martial arts neko, fair play!! but i guess we will have to wait until were all in the after life to find out but my dollar is still on lee
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