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Post by Imp on Jan 18, 2007 15:25:52 GMT -1
I can just imagine the editorial staff, harrumphing into their cups of tea, discussing how this is all down to New Labour, the decline in morality amongst the youth of today and maybe also a result of global warming (I may have made the last one up) Life's ok, not a lady of leisure as such, off work sick (funnily enough, I can't face the thought of going back there as I was being bullied by a member of Senior Management), until my notice period's up. Sorry, will now let the thred get back on topic! ;D Yes I remember Si telling me. She was a witch wasn't she? Does she weigh the same as a duck?? ;D I don't blame you btw. You and Si are a right old malingering pair aren't you? lol ;D Malingering is an art form we have perfected, 'tis true ;D Did anyone have the joy of seeing Jade ask BB about Eskimos? She really did herself no favours with that one at all. I do wonder how anyone could ever be so blinkered and unaware of other societies and cultures!
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 18, 2007 15:26:09 GMT -1
It is maybe offensive but just because it is offensive does not make is racist. Telling someone 'go back to your slums' is again fairly offensive. But I still don't see that as racist. When we played Everton away last season in the cup, we started singing that 'in your liverpool slums' song. I do believe that they are being ignorant but why do people claim it's racism when there hasn't really been any racism at all. As I said I believe it is contextual. If you want to pardon obnoxious idiots for their foul campaigns of hate in this way, that's your prerogative I suppose... Personally I think it is bleeding obvious that the subtext of the bullying comments of certain of those "celebrities" is racist. The whole point is they *wouldn't* be telling her to go home if she was a white citizen of the USA.
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Post by Giar on Jan 18, 2007 15:26:24 GMT -1
please stop posting on this thread. im trying to forget this program even exists
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 18, 2007 15:26:54 GMT -1
I will go back to my original comment, could Shilpa take Jade to court on the grounds of racism for those comments and win. I do not think so Sorry to sling in my two pence worth, but does something necessarily need to stand up in a court of law in order for it to be racist? Well yes, otherwise if you are simply going on interpretation then everything that was said could be construed to be racist
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 18, 2007 15:27:37 GMT -1
Yes I remember Si telling me. She was a witch wasn't she? Does she weigh the same as a duck?? ;D I don't blame you btw. You and Si are a right old malingering pair aren't you? lol ;D Malingering is an art form we have perfected, 'tis true ;D Did anyone have the joy of seeing Jade ask BB about Eskimos? She really did herself no favours with that one at all. I do wonder how anyone could ever be so blinkered and unaware of other societies and cultures! No it was her mute of a boyfriend that wanted to know why he had nipples. "What's a envrio?" (When BB talked about Embryos)
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 18, 2007 15:28:23 GMT -1
please stop posting on this thread. im trying to forget this program even exists
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Jan 18, 2007 15:28:33 GMT -1
For what its worth, here's my opinion: At first i thought it was being blown out of proportion, when the complaints were about the fact that Mis Piggy etc had been 'mocking' Shilpas accent - you try and find anyone in this country who hasnt done a (very poor in my case) impression of an indian accent, welsh, aussie, italian etc etc But now i think its escalated to full blown racism - and i think JH pointed out two particualr comments which prove the point! Not only this, but its bullying of the worst variety! Jodie marsh was bullied in a similar way last year, though that didnt receive the focus Shilpas has - but it want a racially motivated thing then - now it is, and undeniably so! One good thing to come out of this is the fact that Jades brief journey into 'celebrity' should now be over...... EVERY CLOUD!! Gres Over and Out!!
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 18, 2007 15:28:46 GMT -1
Yes I remember Si telling me. She was a witch wasn't she? Does she weigh the same as a duck?? ;D I don't blame you btw. You and Si are a right old malingering pair aren't you? lol ;D Malingering is an art form we have perfected, 'tis true ;D Did anyone have the joy of seeing Jade ask BB about Eskimos? She really did herself no favours with that one at all. I do wonder how anyone could ever be so blinkered and unaware of other societies and cultures! Culture and Jade Goody, no those two words are not to be used in the same sentence when talking about the beast
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 18, 2007 15:29:19 GMT -1
please stop posting on this thread. im trying to forget this program even exists Mrs H!
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Post by Giar on Jan 18, 2007 15:30:02 GMT -1
please stop posting on this thread. im trying to forget this program even exists for some reason the prospect of turning gay is getting more appealing!!
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 18, 2007 15:30:28 GMT -1
For what its worth, here's my opinion: At first i thought it was being blown out of proportion, when the complaints were about the fact that Mis Piggy etc had been 'mocking' Shilpas accent - you try and find anyone in this country who hasnt done a (very poor in my case) impression of an indian accent, welsh, aussie, italian etc etc But now i think its escalated to full blown racism - and i think JH pointed out two particualr comments which prove the point! Not only this, but its bullying of the worst variety! Jodie marsh was bullied in a similar way last year, though that didnt receive the focus Shilpas has - but it want a racially motivated thing then - now it is, and undeniably so! One good thing to come out of this is the fact that Jades brief journey into 'celebrity' should now be over...... EVERY CLOUD!! Gres Over and Out!! Good point O' Massive Shepherd. Pete Burns bullied everyone last year and hardly an eye was battered.
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 18, 2007 15:30:36 GMT -1
Well according to Shippers I am an aspirational middle class wench because I went to Uni. But if I ever get to the stage of reading the Daily Mail or agreeing with Robert Kilroy Silk then I should be taken out with force and quickly. Bless you! And Shippers for all his many qualities is not a sociologist!
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Post by HURLOCK on Jan 18, 2007 15:31:28 GMT -1
Pete Burns is a woman
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Post by jh1980 on Jan 18, 2007 15:31:41 GMT -1
Should have read this before I stumbled through trying to say the same lol! Exalted Neko I think, Miz, the 'go home' remark isn't racist in itself, but the undertone is - while I appreciate it wouldn't apply in every case (and may not here, hence why I said it probably wasn't quite racist), the 'unsaid' part of that statement is generally to the effect of, "Your type aren't welcome here," which certainly is racist. To answer your remark about telling an American to go back home; yes, that'd be racist too (or equally close, at least). The difference is - and I know this comment sounds racist; I see it as a factual observation - white people generally don't play the racism card, so it basically wouldn't matter. It'd be seen as a personal attack on the individual, as opposed to a race-wide slur. I do wonder, in truth, how many of the people complaining actually believe it was racist, and how many are just taking the opportunity to try to get Jade and/or BB in deep shit.
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Post by miz on Jan 18, 2007 15:32:29 GMT -1
It is maybe offensive but just because it is offensive does not make is racist. Telling someone 'go back to your slums' is again fairly offensive. But I still don't see that as racist. When we played Everton away last season in the cup, we started singing that 'in your liverpool slums' song. I do believe that they are being ignorant but why do people claim it's racism when there hasn't really been any racism at all. The whole point is they *wouldn't* be telling her to go home if she was a white citizen of the USA. And how do you know that? You are presuming they wouldn't.
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Jan 18, 2007 15:32:31 GMT -1
For what its worth, here's my opinion: At first i thought it was being blown out of proportion, when the complaints were about the fact that Mis Piggy etc had been 'mocking' Shilpas accent - you try and find anyone in this country who hasnt done a (very poor in my case) impression of an indian accent, welsh, aussie, italian etc etc But now i think its escalated to full blown racism - and i think JH pointed out two particualr comments which prove the point! Not only this, but its bullying of the worst variety! Jodie marsh was bullied in a similar way last year, though that didnt receive the focus Shilpas has - but it want a racially motivated thing then - now it is, and undeniably so! One good thing to come out of this is the fact that Jades brief journey into 'celebrity' should now be over...... EVERY CLOUD!! Gres Over and Out!! Good point O' Massive Shepherd. Pete Burns bullied everyone last year and hardly an eye was battered. isnt that a delicacy in Scotland?? ;D
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Post by Imp on Jan 18, 2007 15:33:39 GMT -1
Sorry to sling in my two pence worth, but does something necessarily need to stand up in a court of law in order for it to be racist? Well yes, otherwise if you are simply going on interpretation then everything that was said could be construed to be racist Danielle Lloyd commented on Shilpa's way of speaking ("she can't even speak English properly") and true, it'd be pulled apart in a court (with my vast legal knowledge, having watched Judge John Deed once). However, it'd be a very naive person to suggest it WASN'T racially motivated... *and what's the irony in that Scouse tart criticising someone else's command of the English language?*
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Post by Mrs H on Jan 18, 2007 15:34:09 GMT -1
Good point O' Massive Shepherd. Pete Burns bullied everyone last year and hardly an eye was battered. isnt that a delicacy in Scotland?? ;D PMSL yep it's on the menu with Jade's badly wrapped kebab!
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Jan 18, 2007 15:35:40 GMT -1
isnt that a delicacy in Scotland?? ;D PMSL yep it's on the menu with Jade's badly wrapped kebab! YUK - think i'll go on a diet thanks!! ;D ;D
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Post by Imp on Jan 18, 2007 15:36:21 GMT -1
Malingering is an art form we have perfected, 'tis true ;D Did anyone have the joy of seeing Jade ask BB about Eskimos? She really did herself no favours with that one at all. I do wonder how anyone could ever be so blinkered and unaware of other societies and cultures! No it was her mute of a boyfriend that wanted to know why he had nipples. "What's a envrio?" (When BB talked about Embryos) Oh, that was classic...what a t**t! And Stan Laurel isn't the father of Clint Eastwood
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