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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Apr 11, 2009 23:51:08 GMT -1
must win and not for the usual reasons....
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Apr 12, 2009 15:55:53 GMT -1
COME ON UNITED - DONT LET ME DOWN NOW!!   |
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Post by PureOldGold on Apr 13, 2009 10:21:15 GMT -1
Come on FOREST! Rumours have it that this bad boy is playing on the wing.   |
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Apr 13, 2009 16:38:33 GMT -1
arse! ref. ruined the game by all accounts, but still we bottled it  |
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Post by ancientblade on Apr 13, 2009 19:39:47 GMT -1
arse! ref. ruined the game by all accounts, but still we bottled it Not long got back from a very frustrating game. Yes Mort, the referee was very poor. I won't say what I really think as I don't want to be banned! Forest clearly came for a point and left with mission accomplished. To their credit they defended very well even though they had to play the majority of the match with 10 men. However, I do not think I have ever seen such a negative side, and one that stretched the term 'time wasting' to a whole new level. And in my view the referee's apparent inability to let the game flow at all played right into their hands. The more stop-start the game was, the better it fitted into their game plan. That said, the onus was on us to open them up and we failed to do that. We weren't as dire as earlier in the season and not anywhere as near as bad as against Doncaster or Wednesday. But, it has to be said we weren't good either. Although I wouldn't criticise anyone for lack of effort. Maybe 4 games in 10 days has taken it's toll. I hope the explanation is that simple. As for the sending off, you will seldom see a clearer one. I don't know what on earth got into him. And I couldn't understand why the Forest supporters then booed Halford every time he got the ball for the rest of that half. Perhaps he should have somehow dodged out of the way of the headbutt! Personally, my anger and frustration would have been directed at the sent off player for getting sent off and leaving a side (already in a precarious league position) in the lurch. As it turned out though, the sending off actually seemed to help them in as much as they shut up shop completely and we were not good enough to break them down. Anyway, at least we will never again have to listen to any supporter of Nottingham Forest telling us that they play football in the 'right' way, and we don't. Because today that was conclusively shown not to be the case! |
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Post by JBL on Apr 13, 2009 20:17:58 GMT -1
arse! ref. ruined the game by all accounts, but still we bottled it Not long got back from a very frustrating game. Yes Mort, the referee was very poor. I won't say what I really think as I don't want to be banned! Forest clearly came for a point and left with mission accomplished. To their credit they defended very well even though they had to play the majority of the match with 10 men. However, I do not think I have ever seen such a negative side, and one that stretched the term 'time wasting' to a whole new level. And in my view the referee's apparent inability to let the game flow at all played right into their hands. The more stop-start the game was, the better it fitted into their game plan. That said, the onus was on us to open them up and we failed to do that. We weren't as dire as earlier in the season and not anywhere as near as bad as against Doncaster or Wednesday. But, it has to be said we weren't good either. Although I wouldn't criticise anyone for lack of effort. Maybe 4 games in 10 days has taken it's toll. I hope the explanation is that simple. As for the sending off, you will seldom see a clearer one. I don't know what on earth got into him. And I couldn't understand why the Forest supporters then booed Halford every time he got the ball for the rest of that half. Perhaps he should have somehow dodged out of the way of the headbutt! Personally, my anger and frustration would have been directed at the sent off player for getting sent off and leaving a side (already in a precarious league position) in the lurch. As it turned out though, the sending off actually seemed to help them in as much as they shut up shop completely and we were not good enough to break them down. Anyway, at least we will never again have to listen to any supporter of Nottingham Forest telling us that they play football in the 'right' way, and we don't. Because today that was conclusively shown not to be the case! LMFAO at some of your comments, you can't take the fact that we've just done a job on you that you've been doing to other sides for years! |
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Post by ancientblade on Apr 13, 2009 21:38:56 GMT -1
Not long got back from a very frustrating game. Yes Mort, the referee was very poor. I won't say what I really think as I don't want to be banned! Forest clearly came for a point and left with mission accomplished. To their credit they defended very well even though they had to play the majority of the match with 10 men. However, I do not think I have ever seen such a negative side, and one that stretched the term 'time wasting' to a whole new level. And in my view the referee's apparent inability to let the game flow at all played right into their hands. The more stop-start the game was, the better it fitted into their game plan. That said, the onus was on us to open them up and we failed to do that. We weren't as dire as earlier in the season and not anywhere as near as bad as against Doncaster or Wednesday. But, it has to be said we weren't good either. Although I wouldn't criticise anyone for lack of effort. Maybe 4 games in 10 days has taken it's toll. I hope the explanation is that simple. As for the sending off, you will seldom see a clearer one. I don't know what on earth got into him. And I couldn't understand why the Forest supporters then booed Halford every time he got the ball for the rest of that half. Perhaps he should have somehow dodged out of the way of the headbutt! Personally, my anger and frustration would have been directed at the sent off player for getting sent off and leaving a side (already in a precarious league position) in the lurch. As it turned out though, the sending off actually seemed to help them in as much as they shut up shop completely and we were not good enough to break them down. Anyway, at least we will never again have to listen to any supporter of Nottingham Forest telling us that they play football in the 'right' way, and we don't. Because today that was conclusively shown not to be the case! LMFAO at some of your comments, you can't take the fact that we've just done a job on you that you've been doing to other sides for years! You obviously don't read many of my posts then. I am very very rarely critical of other sides. I am pretty fair minded and give praise when it's due. Always have done. And you might have noticed that I did credit you with defending well and accomplishing your mission. But I am telling the truth. I really cannot remember a more negative side and I have certainly not seen a side time waste to that degree before. All sides do it, I know. But not on that scale. It was impressive. We have often been on the end of criticism (particularly during Neil Warnock's tenure!), and quite often from near rivals such as yourselves. Well, it's your turn now. At no stage at all in that game did I see you try and play anything remotely resembling what Brian Clough would call football. I am not saying that a draw wasn't a fair result. It was. We weren't good and I accept that. We didn't break you down and did not deserve to win because of that. But in our inept way, we did actually try and serve something up that resembled football. You didn't, and in my humble opinion it was never your intention to do so. You were happy to be praised in years gone by when you played good football. Now it's time to be big enough to accept that you don't play good football anymore. |
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Apr 13, 2009 22:13:29 GMT -1
i completely agree with ab, forest tried to waste time from the first minute, but i've no complaint about that as no doubt in their position we'd have done similar.
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Post by JBL on Apr 14, 2009 18:51:14 GMT -1
Had we not gone down to 10 men I'm sure we'd have played a little more football, however my point still remains that we beat you at your own game, I agree also that the tactics employed are not what has been associated with this club, but that was the past and this is now and our youngsters not being professional enough or smart enough in the past few seasons has cost us. So as much as I'm not a fan of what Wee Billy D is serving up right now (That said we've played a few teams of the park recently with some VERY GOOD football) so I stand by what I said originally, we beat you at your own game.
Yours is a team of bully boy hoofers, if your players had any class or footballing nous you'd have won.
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Post by ancientblade on Apr 14, 2009 20:03:08 GMT -1
Had we not gone down to 10 men I'm sure we'd have played a little more football, however my point still remains that we beat you at your own game, I agree also that the tactics employed are not what has been associated with this club, but that was the past and this is now and our youngsters not being professional enough or smart enough in the past few seasons has cost us. So as much as I'm not a fan of what Wee Billy D is serving up right now (That said we've played a few teams of the park recently with some VERY GOOD football) so I stand by what I said originally, we beat you at your own game. Yours is a team of bully boy hoofers, if your players had any class or footballing nous you'd have won. "Bully Boy Hoofers". Strange. None of our players headbutted any of yours! True, we had little in the way of footballing nous yesterday, but that does not make us bully boy hoofers. It just makes is not very good! If anything, the main reason we are not in an automatic promotion spot (apart from not being very good) is that in many home games we have been out muscled. You didn't actually beat us, but you drew with us by playing your own game, not our's. 'Tis true that at various times in the past we have served up some stuff that was painful to the eye, but that was a very pale immitation of the way you played yesterday. What you did was an absolute masterclass. That said, if I were in your shoes I would also probably have been very well satisfied with the outcome, and I suppose the right way to play is the one that gets positive results for your team. I am not complaining at the result. You deserved your point. It was just a bit of a shock to see you play in that way. Under Kinnear you went fairly high and long, but it was nothing like the way you played yesterday. Brian Clough would have fined the whole team a months wages! |
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Apr 14, 2009 21:58:01 GMT -1
Had we not gone down to 10 men I'm sure we'd have played a little more football, however my point still remains that we beat you at your own game, I agree also that the tactics employed are not what has been associated with this club, but that was the past and this is now and our youngsters not being professional enough or smart enough in the past few seasons has cost us. So as much as I'm not a fan of what Wee Billy D is serving up right now (That said we've played a few teams of the park recently with some VERY GOOD football) so I stand by what I said originally, we beat you at your own game. Yours is a team of bully boy hoofers, if your players had any class or footballing nous you'd have won. as daft as it sounds you were lucky to have had a man sent off. If the game had stayed as open as it was when 11 vs 11 you'd have lost. Sadly we've not the skill to finish off outright defensive teams..... ... it'll cost us. |
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Post by ancientblade on Apr 15, 2009 19:46:38 GMT -1
Had we not gone down to 10 men I'm sure we'd have played a little more football, however my point still remains that we beat you at your own game, I agree also that the tactics employed are not what has been associated with this club, but that was the past and this is now and our youngsters not being professional enough or smart enough in the past few seasons has cost us. So as much as I'm not a fan of what Wee Billy D is serving up right now (That said we've played a few teams of the park recently with some VERY GOOD football) so I stand by what I said originally, we beat you at your own game. Yours is a team of bully boy hoofers, if your players had any class or footballing nous you'd have won. as daft as it sounds you were lucky to have had a man sent off. If the game had stayed as open as it was when 11 vs 11 you'd have lost. Sadly we've not the skill to finish off outright defensive teams..... ... it'll cost us. When they went down to 10 men we should have been stretching the play a lot more and switching it from flank to flank. Instead, we tried to go through the middle far too much which played right into their hands. We could have even played with three up front, but instead when we brought Beattie on, we took Cotterill off and moved Ward out to left midfield. When defending set pieces in their half, I noticed they were very reminicent of us under Robson. They pulled everyone back and therefore didn't leave an outlet. That was a golden opportunity for us to really exert some pressure. If their defenders got the ball from the set piece they had no out ball to play, because noone was left upfield to play it to. But, we didn't really pressure them in possession in those situations and so failed to take advantage. |
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