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Post by PASTIE on Apr 3, 2008 18:31:42 GMT -1
I'm in no position to be remotely moralistic, but it is peculiar to me that cannabis should be stigmatised so but alcohol not, when alcohol without doubt does greater harm to society. The argument would be that there is a whole "scene" that accompanies cannabis that doesn't exist in the same way with alcohol, but I'd argue that this is inevitable given that it has been driven underground by the law. Personally I would legalise it, monitor it, license it, drive out the criminals and the thugs who pedal it and try to take more control over what people do to themselves. In the meantime (and again I spot my own hypocrisies) something bigger is required to tackle the notion among the very young that it is an essential part of a social life to get completely smashed out of your head (on anything)
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Post by Teesside White on Apr 3, 2008 18:36:47 GMT -1
i wont deny ive ever done it cos that would be lying....but anyone who needs a joint before they go to bed has a problem and they need help
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Post by PASTIE on Apr 3, 2008 18:38:59 GMT -1
i wont deny ive ever done it cos that would be lying....but anyone who needs a joint before they go to bed has a problem and they need help Any worse than the odd Jamesons or three? Or just as bad...
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Apr 3, 2008 20:04:11 GMT -1
BAN IT
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Post by T C on Apr 3, 2008 20:05:37 GMT -1
say what you think Kev ;D
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Post by PASTIE on Apr 3, 2008 20:05:46 GMT -1
Jamesons???
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Apr 3, 2008 20:11:58 GMT -1
Jamesons??? if you try to smoke it ;D
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Apr 3, 2008 20:12:35 GMT -1
say what you think Kev ;D is this Catchphrase ;D
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Post by ---------a on Apr 3, 2008 20:14:28 GMT -1
Cannabis = weed?
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Post by Arnold on Apr 3, 2008 20:40:47 GMT -1
Some studies say it's pretty safe, others say it'll absolutely slaughter you - hard to say what the better bet is. Truth told, part of me wonders whether legalising and regulating it, plus providing information on the effects (รก la alcohol and tobacco) might be a better route. I don't think the effects have been determined fully enough yet though. I have friends that have smoked it for years. Some still love it and still hold down good jobs even they get totally stoned every night. On the flipside one of my friends flipped out on it and she is still taking risperidone 10 years after giving it up. She was my girl at the time I have smoked it in the past and probably quite a lot but stay well away from it now it makes me so paranoid.
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Post by URRZZZ!!! on Apr 3, 2008 21:09:45 GMT -1
Alcohol without doubt does greater harm to society. I certainly find aggression under cannabis hard to imagine and I know one guy who's a complete twat drunk but is no problem to be about when he's stoned, and the evidence for the damage alcohol causes to you is far more concrete, I'm not sure George Best would be dead if he'd spent all that time smoking weed instead. Prohibition is impossible - won't go into it fully, but what government would have the balls to do it? I for one wouldn't be happy, and 99% of people I know wouldn't be either. As for legalizing cannabis and educating, the people educating school kids on smoking and alcohol clearly do a pretty crap job. (maybe not as bad on the smoking front, but I'm guessing 1 in 3 or 1 in 4 take it up) Why are we to think cannabis would be different? Truth be told, the thing that puts me off it is not what I learnt at school (I can't remember what they taught me on it), but just the simple fact it's illegal. I know nobody cares and all the police would do is confiscate it, but I'm put off dabbling in it simply by the fact it's illegal more than anything else. I know it sounds naive and silly, but I imagine there are a load more people like me out there. Although legalizing and controlling it would make it safer and bring in a load of tax revenue, it would only lead to more smoking it, especially as they can't prove it's addictiveness like they can with tobacco.
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Post by Arnold on Apr 3, 2008 21:14:04 GMT -1
They smoked the herb in the Bible you know.
There is a reference to it in Exodus chapter 30 verse 22 - 33.
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Post by URRZZZ!!! on Apr 3, 2008 21:16:49 GMT -1
Aye but it also says obey the governing authorities in Romans. But I will read up on that as I go to bed. Speaking of bed, I'm tired. Had a long day job searching for the summer and it's so dried up I couldn't even get an application form anywhere! Night all.
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Post by Billy on Apr 4, 2008 9:25:45 GMT -1
I have ecently stopped smoking green - having been a pretty heavy user for the past 10 years. The skunk I was getting was just a bit too much and was making me paranoid - I'm sure in the future I will have the odd cheeky toke or two of weed, but I certainly won't be back at the levels of consumption I was - apart from anything else I need to start looking after my lungs!
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Apr 5, 2008 8:08:44 GMT -1
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Post by Arnold on Apr 5, 2008 9:56:27 GMT -1
I'm in no position to be remotely moralistic, but it is peculiar to me that cannabis should be stigmatised so but alcohol not, when alcohol without doubt does greater harm to society. The argument would be that there is a whole "scene" that accompanies cannabis that doesn't exist in the same way with alcohol, but I'd argue that this is inevitable given that it has been driven underground by the law. Personally I would legalise it, monitor it, license it, drive out the criminals and the thugs who pedal it and try to take more control over what people do to themselves. In the meantime (and again I spot my own hypocrisies) something bigger is required to tackle the notion among the very young that it is an essential part of a social life to get completely smashed out of your head (on anything) I wholeheartedly agree. The notion that cannabis leads onto harder drugs is bullshit. Alcohol is usually the starter for those that seek a bigger buzz. If people did not have to buy cannabis from a dealer they would not get the chance to be offered harder stuff. Legalize it, tax the crap our of it, and use the money to deal with stopping the harder stuff getting out there.
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Apr 5, 2008 9:57:51 GMT -1
I'm in no position to be remotely moralistic, but it is peculiar to me that cannabis should be stigmatised so but alcohol not, when alcohol without doubt does greater harm to society. The argument would be that there is a whole "scene" that accompanies cannabis that doesn't exist in the same way with alcohol, but I'd argue that this is inevitable given that it has been driven underground by the law. Personally I would legalise it, monitor it, license it, drive out the criminals and the thugs who pedal it and try to take more control over what people do to themselves. In the meantime (and again I spot my own hypocrisies) something bigger is required to tackle the notion among the very young that it is an essential part of a social life to get completely smashed out of your head (on anything) I wholeheartedly agree. The notion that cannabis leads onto harder drugs is bullshit. Alcohol is usually the starter for those that seek a bigger buzz. If people did not have to buy cannabis from a dealer they would not get the chance to be offered harder stuff. Legalize it, tax the crap our of it, and use the money to deal with stopping the harder stuff getting out there. .... and lower the tax on booze....
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Post by Arnold on Apr 5, 2008 10:06:23 GMT -1
Damn right!
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Apr 5, 2008 10:08:49 GMT -1
if you legalised cannabis, wouldn't giar billy jen people have to smoke it outside....?
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Post by Billy on Apr 5, 2008 10:30:27 GMT -1
what You think coz I've quit I'm not a hippie anymore? Think again MORT!
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