BladeWolf
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Post by BladeWolf on Sept 11, 2007 17:15:57 GMT -1
This game seems to be hyped up as the game that will either make or break England... I personally are going for a 2-0 win (2-1 if Robinson is in goal) that's for England BTW... Russia have a tough team and McClown has rightly said he may tinker with his team to get the best tactical formation/personal possible. And since Crotch's suspension is over he comes back into contention for a place in the starting line up.. But saying this he hasn't played recently for Liverpool(i believe may be wrong). And with Heskey doing so well against Russia McClaren has another gamble/choice to make. I would talk on and on about McClown and him including new players to the squad and then them not even making the subs bench while players like Wes Brown and Defoe(who hasn't had a game yet, to my knowledge) sat on that substitute bench ready to come on and not make an impact.(Note Lescott and Taylor) Anyhow my team for Russia would be: Carson A Cole~Terry~Ferdinand~Richards J Cole~Barry~Gerrard~Wright-Philips Heskey~Owen Subs James, Lescott, Carrick, Johnson, Crouch At first look this is the same team that went out against Israel, but with Carson in net who actually deserves on current form to be in the net, unlike Robinson. My decision to put Heskey upfront is on form alone and if he ends up being his sub-standard self bring Crouchy on. And maybe take Ferdinand off, as his concentration does seem to waver occasionally, and give Lescott a turn either as centre back with Terry or right back with Richards moving to centre back. Barry I thought was brilliant against Israel not amazing, had the occasional little blip but not too serious, but he and Gerrard seemed to get on well in the game(they're actually friends outside of football!! ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) ). Gerrard keeps his place, well do I really have to explain??? Joe Cole and SWP were true Wingers on Saturday causing the defence all kinds of trouble mostly running at them and taking on men. The defence didn't have too much to do overall on Saturday although the A Cole-J Cole and Richards-SWP combination worked well. Owen keeps his place well, how can you not include the guy? Best Striker we've got(yes better than Rooney). Anyhow I'll quit my analysis for now...Maybe another on for after the Russia game..Hopefully McClaren won't decide to bring Wes Brown on at any point.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 11, 2007 18:39:25 GMT -1
My big concern for the game is that, on a tactical level, Hiddink is at least two leagues above McClaren. We've got the players, but they've got a great team that work together well under Hiddink - and you can rest assured he already knows what our weaknesses are and how to exploit them. They won't be coming for a draw, and while that can work in our favour, it could also go wrong horribly if our weaknesses are exposed - and I think we'll be especially vulnerable on the counter if we play like we did against Israel.
Regardless of what 11 McClaren puts on, they're gonna have to work together to win it - our manager sure won't win this game for us. Hiddink, on the other hand, could win it for Russia.
I'm thinking 2-1 either way or 2-2 - the first goal is gonna count for so much in this match.
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Post by BW on Sept 11, 2007 18:59:01 GMT -1
My big concern for the game is that, on a tactical level, Hiddink is at least two leagues above McClaren. We've got the players, but they've got a great team that work together well under Hiddink - and you can rest assured he already knows what our weaknesses are and how to exploit them. They won't be coming for a draw, and while that can work in our favour, it could also go wrong horribly if our weaknesses are exposed - and I think we'll be especially vulnerable on the counter if we play like we did against Israel. Regardless of what 11 McClaren puts on, they're gonna have to work together to win it - our manager sure won't win this game for us. Hiddink, on the other hand, could win it for Russia. I'm thinking 2-1 either way or 2-2 - the first goal is gonna count for so much in this match. Your observations and comments are very well balanced and to the point and I agree with everything that you have said. 8-)Although my prediction is 1-0 to England only because I'm listening to my heart and not my head.
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Sept 11, 2007 20:18:08 GMT -1
well i cant see us not conceding a goal for 2 games running, so we will have to put all our chances away.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 12, 2007 6:57:49 GMT -1
well i cant see us not conceding a goal for 2 games running, so we will have to put all our chances away. Especially with Robinson in goal ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png)
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Sept 12, 2007 7:22:48 GMT -1
well i cant see us not conceding a goal for 2 games running, so we will have to put all our chances away. Especially with Robinson in goal ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png) i was thinking more of Ferdinand making a fuck up ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) ;D
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 12, 2007 7:26:37 GMT -1
Especially with Robinson in goal ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/lipssealed.png) i was thinking more of Ferdinand making a fuck up ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) ;D On form over the last year, I'd say Terry's more likely to make a mistake leading to a goal - Ferdinand does some retarded things, but at least they're harmlessly retarded. Terry's are more equivalent to having a bout of Tourrette's during Sunday Mass!
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Post by Beerwulf on Sept 12, 2007 11:40:49 GMT -1
More or less agree with blade wolf's selection. But Isreal made Heskey look better than he was and even then he looked shit. England were given far more room up front than was expected and opportunities through countless cynical fouls. I don't think that we will be granted the same luxury of space this evening and for that reason I would start with Crouch. I might replace Barry with Carrick and I think I would stick with Robinson in goal.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 12, 2007 11:52:59 GMT -1
More or less agree with blade wolf's selection. But Isreal made Heskey look better than he was and even then he looked shit. England were given far more room up front than was expected and opportunities through countless cynical fouls. I don't think that we will be granted the same luxury of space this evening and for that reason I would start with Crouch. I might replace Barry with Carrick and I think I would stick with Robinson in goal. In all fairness, regardless of individual ability, I think Crouch takes more away from the team than he puts in - his very presence seems to result in a 'hoof the ball upfield' approach. Further to that, I'd argue that Heskey deserves to keep the starting place, if only to show that good work gets rewarded (I think you're the only person I've heard say he looked shit - yes, the finishing left a lot to be desired, but his other work was fantastic). Crouch can't do anything more than Heskey does (and does some of it worse), and is a marked man as far as refs are concerned. Further to that, Owen has made it clear he prefers playing with Heskey, and he's still our #1 chance of getting a goal IMO. Why fix what ain't broken?
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Post by Beerwulf on Sept 12, 2007 12:17:12 GMT -1
hoof the ball upfield has been a standard of Engish football since Hoddle stood down. My point about Heskey is that he has already proven how ineffectual he is at this level which is why he was dropped four years ago. He did nothing to convince me that his game has improved in any particular and he demonstrated that his finishing ability hasn't changed. My overriding point is that he is being judged on a performance against a team which would be in a relegation scrap in our Premiership.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Sept 12, 2007 12:40:15 GMT -1
hoof the ball upfield has been a standard of Engish football since Hoddle stood down. My point about Heskey is that he has already proven how ineffectual he is at this level which is why he was dropped four years ago. He did nothing to convince me that his game has improved in any particular and he demonstrated that his finishing ability hasn't changed. My overriding point is that he is being judged on a performance against a team which would be in a relegation scrap in our Premiership. Let's be fair, Crouch is hardly prolific in the games that really matter either - sure, a hat-trick against Jamaica in a friendly, one from a penalty. That's about the pinnacle of his international career. I've yet to be convinced that he deserves a place in the starting line-up either - the point is, we have a combination up front that - at last showing - works, so why tinker with it? If Heskey's dire against Russia, he can be taken off at half-time, but I don't see why he shouldn't have another chance to prove himself.
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Post by minsterman on Sept 12, 2007 13:53:48 GMT -1
England will win, Heskey and Owen to get a goal each in a 2-0 win.
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BladeWolf
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Post by BladeWolf on Sept 12, 2007 15:39:35 GMT -1
England will win, Heskey and Owen to get a goal each in a 2-0 win. Heskey will have to improve his finishing to get a goal...But he's done well for Wigan...He deserves the start for not being a complete waste of space that most people had labelled him. Tbh I don't care if he never scores, if he's setting up our other more goal inclined players then it's better in my opinion. Johnson and Owen I'd see as similar players so swapping them with a partner of either Crouch or Heskey may work... Then again England always seem to have this 4-4-2 formation. To just mix things up a bit(if we're safely qualified) try a 4-3-3 NOTE:This team does count the injured players as fit. Carson A Cole~Terry~Ferdinand~Richards Barry~Lampard~Gerrard J Cole~Ronney~Wright-Philips With this 4-3-3 it's able to flex into a 4-5-1 or 4-4-2....
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Sept 12, 2007 17:35:27 GMT -1
Team news
same as Saturday ;D
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Sept 12, 2007 18:10:40 GMT -1
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Post by CarrowGirl on Sept 12, 2007 18:12:13 GMT -1
Heskey could have made it 2 ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Sept 12, 2007 18:29:40 GMT -1
Heskey could have made it 2 ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) a phrase used by Leicester, Liverpool, Birmingham and Wigan fans for years CG!! ;D ;D
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Post by CarrowGirl on Sept 12, 2007 18:31:59 GMT -1
OWEN
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Post by CarrowGirl on Sept 12, 2007 18:32:44 GMT -1
Heskey could have made it 2 ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) a phrase used by Leicester, Liverpool, Birmingham and Wigan fans for years CG!! ;D ;D ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Sept 12, 2007 18:33:47 GMT -1
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