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Post by 3spireswhite on Mar 26, 2007 11:17:18 GMT -1
England once again looked like a Terry Venables team . McClaren you need to get rid of this man otherwise we will not qualify . He has never done it in english football and i think he has too much influence on you .
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Post by Stan on Mar 26, 2007 11:19:25 GMT -1
England once again looked like a Terry Venables team . McClaren you need to get rid of this man otherwise we will not qualify . He has never done it in english football and i think he has too much influence on you . To be fair mate, if McLaren's not strong enough to stand up to him then he must go. I think, however, the long and short of it is that we're appaling in front of goal. Someone earlier saidd that Lampard should be dropped - and I don't think it's a bad shout. Stick Hargreaves and Gerrard in the middle, have two wingers and Rooney +1 up front.... Michael Owen, where are you...  |
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Post by Giar on Mar 26, 2007 11:21:24 GMT -1
wrong way round if you ask me mate.......and just think back over the last 2 odd decades and try and think of any england manager that has got the team to actually play with some balls and passion like venables did. and back then he didnt have anywhere near the class we have at our disposal these days  |
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Post by Giar on Mar 26, 2007 11:22:58 GMT -1
England once again looked like a Terry Venables team . McClaren you need to get rid of this man otherwise we will not qualify . He has never done it in english football and i think he has too much influence on you . To be fair mate, if McLaren's not strong enough to stand up to him then he must go. I think, however, the long and short of it is that we're appaling in front of goal. Someone earlier saidd that Lampard should be dropped - and I don't think it's a bad shout. Stick Hargreaves and Gerrard in the middle, have two wingers and Rooney +1 up front.... Michael Owen, where are you... we would actually have some strength in depth as well with the likes of lampard coming off the bench instead of the likes of scott average parker and all the others that have been tried and have failed |
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Post by Stan on Mar 26, 2007 11:22:59 GMT -1
wrong way round if you ask me mate.......and just think back over the last 2 odd decades and try and think of any england manager that has got the team to actually play with some balls and passion like venables did. and back then he didnt have anywhere near the class we have at our disposal these days Bring back Sven! joke! |
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Post by Stan on Mar 26, 2007 11:25:03 GMT -1
To be fair mate, if McLaren's not strong enough to stand up to him then he must go. I think, however, the long and short of it is that we're appaling in front of goal. Someone earlier saidd that Lampard should be dropped - and I don't think it's a bad shout. Stick Hargreaves and Gerrard in the middle, have two wingers and Rooney +1 up front.... Michael Owen, where are you... we would actually have some strength in depth as well with the likes of lampard coming off the bench instead of the likes of scott average parker and all the others that have been tried and have failed I agree - there're certain players who IMO don't cut it with England... now Lampard ISN'T one of them, but I don think he needs a bit of a wakening.... Downing is very poor for England, but I fear he's McLaren's little pet in the way that Beckham was for Sven. To be honest, I think it would've been a good game to get Becks back on the bench.... what d'you think? |
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Post by Giar on Mar 26, 2007 11:27:23 GMT -1
i should think so too   just give the sodding job to somebody who has these following cryteria.... a brain bigger than this...  a some of these between his legs  |
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Post by Giar on Mar 26, 2007 11:37:43 GMT -1
we would actually have some strength in depth as well with the likes of lampard coming off the bench instead of the likes of scott average parker and all the others that have been tried and have failed I agree - there're certain players who IMO don't cut it with England... now Lampard ISN'T one of them, but I don think he needs a bit of a wakening.... Downing is very poor for England, but I fear he's McLaren's little pet in the way that Beckham was for Sven. To be honest, I think it would've been a good game to get Becks back on the bench.... what d'you think? he definatly still has something to offer the setup IMO but i cant quite decide how or what. on one side of things you have the pace of lennon who doesnt last all match and it might be good to bring him on to mix it up a bit. or the other way round where he makes them work with his ball delivery then lennon comes on in the second 1/2 to scare the shit out of them with his pace  |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Mar 26, 2007 11:54:32 GMT -1
I agree - there're certain players who IMO don't cut it with England... now Lampard ISN'T one of them, but I don think he needs a bit of a wakening.... Downing is very poor for England, but I fear he's McLaren's little pet in the way that Beckham was for Sven. To be honest, I think it would've been a good game to get Becks back on the bench.... what d'you think? he definatly still has something to offer the setup IMO but i cant quite decide how or what. on one side of things you have the pace of lennon who doesnt last all match and it might be good to bring him on to mix it up a bit. or the other way round where he makes them work with his ball delivery then lennon comes on in the second 1/2 to scare the shit out of them with his pace I'd certainly go with #2 - Lennon against a tiring defence (say around the 60th minute) would be an awesome prospect to behold. In the meantime, if we get Johnson to earn us some free kicks...  I don't think El Tel is the reason we're failing either. The team are underperforming in ways identical to Sven's management, only with less spine. We should've shed the Sven/World Cup hangover by now, so what's the one bit of unpleasantness left behind? Besides, Euro '96 aside, when we did we last reach the semis of a tournament? I'd take Venables as England manager before McClaren any day. |
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Post by Travis on Mar 26, 2007 12:13:37 GMT -1
Lennon and Venables are perfectly suited!! They're both overyhyped charlatans who talk aplenty but deliver nothing.
Israel played deep on Saturday, and the only man who showed himself capable of getting behind them was Lennon. So what do they do? Give Lennon the ball and just tell him to take on defenders, and get to the get to the byline as often as possible to cut back dangerous crosses?? Err... no actually, they put him on the wrong side of the field, forcing him to check back on to his stronger foot on every occasion, to deliver far less dangerous crossed from the edge of the area.
McClaren said he'd deliver a system that would maximise our strengths and that wouldn't neccesitate 'square pegs in round holes', what rubbish!!! As soon as Andorra are out of the way, get rid is what I say, whilst the situation is still retrievable.
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Post by Giar on Mar 26, 2007 12:17:26 GMT -1
i have my money on andora |
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Post by ESR on Mar 26, 2007 12:55:10 GMT -1
England once again looked like a Terry Venables team . McClaren you need to get rid of this man otherwise we will not qualify . He has never done it in english football and i think he has too much influence on you . To be fair mate, if McLaren's not strong enough to stand up to him then he must go. I think, however, the long and short of it is that we're appaling in front of goal. Someone earlier saidd that Lampard should be dropped - and I don't think it's a bad shout. Stick Hargreaves and Gerrard in the middle, have two wingers and Rooney +1 up front.... Michael Owen, where are you... I've been calling for Lampard to be dropped for a while now, and I'm sick of seeing a centre mid like Gerrard on the right wing, when theres Aaron Lennon in the squad! It's time to drop a few faces, give players chances (especially in friendlies seeing as we have so many) and stop living in Svens shadow!!!  |
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Post by Golden_Boy™ on Mar 26, 2007 12:57:46 GMT -1
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Post by Giar on Mar 26, 2007 12:58:11 GMT -1
and ide also like to raise the P nevile thing whilst we are on the matter. WTF is the point of bringing him in, at the sodding peak of his carear he was an average squad/utility player for england but these days he offers nothing to us in any way shape or form |
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Post by ESR on Mar 26, 2007 13:05:23 GMT -1
He used to be pally with McClaren when they were both at Man United |
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Post by 3spireswhite on Mar 26, 2007 13:08:10 GMT -1
wrong way round if you ask me mate.......and just think back over the last 2 odd decades and try and think of any england manager that has got the team to actually play with some balls and passion like venables did. and back then he didnt have anywhere near the class we have at our disposal these days I think you must be thinking of one match against Holland , and to a lesser extent the germany match because in every other game under Venables we were awful . |
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Post by Giar on Mar 26, 2007 13:12:03 GMT -1
wrong way round if you ask me mate.......and just think back over the last 2 odd decades and try and think of any england manager that has got the team to actually play with some balls and passion like venables did. and back then he didnt have anywhere near the class we have at our disposal these days I think you must be thinking of one match against Holland , and to a lesser extent the germany match because in every other game under Venables we were awful . true we were not great but at least we played with some balls like we actually cared........and by my reconning that is 1 and a half games of better football than we have seen under sven and maclaren put together |
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Post by Giar on Mar 26, 2007 13:12:57 GMT -1
He used to be pally with McClaren when they were both at Man United i wonder if steve maclaren was bullied at school cause he doesnt seem all that keen on meeting and making new freinds does he? |
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Post by 3spireswhite on Mar 26, 2007 13:18:58 GMT -1
I think you must be thinking of one match against Holland , and to a lesser extent the germany match because in every other game under Venables we were awful . true we were not great but at least we played with some balls like we actually cared........and by my reconning that is 1 and a half games of better football than we have seen under sven and maclaren put together GERMANY 1 ENGLAND 5 , ARGENTINA 0 ENGLAND 1 |
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Post by Giar on Mar 26, 2007 13:21:40 GMT -1
true we were not great but at least we played with some balls like we actually cared........and by my reconning that is 1 and a half games of better football than we have seen under sven and maclaren put together GERMANY 1 ENGLAND 5 , ARGENTINA 0 ENGLAND 1 germany ok, but sod rite off with the argentina one.......we were out played and out classed all match and it was more down to luck than passion or pride that we won |
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