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Post by mortontheblade on Dec 20, 2007 14:45:05 GMT -1
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Dec 20, 2007 16:05:41 GMT -1
Not close enough to London - like its moved in the 7 years since it was initially given the green light??  Wankers - its an awesome site, it will provide fantastic footballing education for our young talent and its centrally based so why the 5 year hold up?? they were prepared to spend £750 million on a stadium but dithered on funding a site to give us a succesful future!  |
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Dec 20, 2007 16:06:29 GMT -1
Not close enough to London - like its moved in the 7 years since it was initially given the green light?? Wankers - its an awesome site, it will provide fantastic footballing education for our young talent and its centrally based so why the 5 year hold up?? they were prepared to spend £750 million on a stadium but dithered on funding a site to give us a succesful future! Oh...and its 5 miles from my house so i can nip down there and give Capello some English lessons when he visits!  |
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Post by Coxy™ on Dec 20, 2007 17:14:55 GMT -1
why dont they just move london to the midlands ;D
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Dec 20, 2007 17:16:17 GMT -1
why dont they just move london to the midlands ;D i wouldnt want it here, with all its smog and cockernee types! ;D |
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Post by Coxy™ on Dec 20, 2007 17:20:50 GMT -1
jelly eels yum yum  |
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Post by GeoFox on Dec 20, 2007 17:34:03 GMT -1
Its a scaled down scheme too.
The real reason that England aren't doing well goes right down to the grassroots and production of players. They just aren't good enough for the big Premier League teams and therefore we have an average national team.
The manager is just one aspect. An expensive manager is great and the new, albeit very expensive Wembley looks nice but much more focus and investment needs to go into schemes like this.
On a wider note, I think the FA is hampered by being dominated by the big names from the big Premier League teams who above all have their own limited interests at heart.
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Post by mortontheblade on Dec 20, 2007 17:59:36 GMT -1
i disagree. i believe its the strength of the championship that is "weakening" the National Team. By preventing good youngsters moving on *i was going to write a whole thread on this but i'm not sure i can arsed, so heres some examples of what i'm talking about* 1. Curtis Davis - WBA wanted £11 for Davis  yet being honest he's only worth £3 million so why can they jack the price up so high. 2. Phil Jagielka - due to Sheffield United's financial strength he was only sold AFTER a clause was activated in his contract, which allowed him to move for SUBSTANTIAL LESS than previous bids for him. 3. Michael Tonge - Aged 19 was taking to pieces other championship teams and notable Liverpool in a Carling Cup Semi Final - NEVER GO HIS MOVE, as the only teams that could afford the risk of buying him were the big 4 who didn't need him so he NEVER DEVELOPED - Arguably he is a worse player now than he was 4 years ago 4. Theo Walcott and Gareth Bale - Both prestigious young talents, but bought for HUGE FEES when they've so much to prove. its also argueable to say they were only sold due to Southampton's poor financial state! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ the reason the premier has so many foreigners within it, is not because good english players aren't being produced! it's because to buy them and i'd say SPECIFICALLY from most championship teams is too expensive! as such those players stuck in the championship don't develop to the best of their ability and as such its actually the financial strength of the larger championship teams that prevents the further development of English Youngsters from the Championship! *awaits people telling me i'm wrong, though i'm right...* |
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Dec 20, 2007 18:08:18 GMT -1
i agree with a lot of that Mort!  |
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Post by mortontheblade on Dec 20, 2007 18:10:01 GMT -1
i agree with a lot of that Mort! |
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Post by Neko Bazu on Dec 20, 2007 20:03:44 GMT -1
There are some pretty good points there actually, Mort - it's certainly a piece of the argument that doesn't get heard very often! I'd say Prem clubs are part of the issue too though - over the last five years, around 50 English players have progressed from a Premier League team's youth and gone on to make more than five first-team Premiership appearances. Given that, for instance, Man Utd's academy produced the likes of Scholes, Gary Neville, Ryan Giggs etc, never mind all the other clubs of that era that produced top English talent, is it so conceivable that our pool of talent has just dried up completely? (Yes, Giggs is Welsh. The point is, Utd took a home-grown player and produced that quality.) Were clubs forced to develop their youth players, I believe we would have a stronger national team. There's an aspect of laziness among the Premiership sides, especially the big four, on that front though - why train English youth up the hard way and risk not getting your money's worth when you can import ready-made quality youth players from overseas that just need a bit of polishing? Don't get me wrong, I'm not on the "It's the foreigners' fault!" front at all - I just don't think clubs are willing to take the time with their own youth any more where they can help it, for the vast majority. Which brings me waaay back round to the point of this post. The Burton Academy can take this risk for them - ergo, it's a necessary component to the national side's development. Why did the FA take so bloody long to approve it?! Disclaimer: Very fuzzy-headed right now, through several means, so I may have worded that badly. Take the general gist of it! |
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Dec 20, 2007 20:07:33 GMT -1
There are some pretty good points there actually, Mort - it's certainly a piece of the argument that doesn't get heard very often! I'd say Prem clubs are part of the issue too though - over the last five years, around 50 English players have progressed from a Premier League team's youth and gone on to make more than five first-team Premiership appearances. Given that, for instance, Man Utd's academy produced the likes of Scholes, Gary Neville, Ryan Giggs etc, never mind all the other clubs of that era that produced top English talent, is it so conceivable that our pool of talent has just dried up completely? (Yes, Giggs is Welsh. The point is, Utd took a home-grown player and produced that quality.) Were clubs forced to develop their youth players, I believe we would have a stronger national team. There's an aspect of laziness among the Premiership sides, especially the big four, on that front though - why train English youth up the hard way and risk not getting your money's worth when you can import ready-made quality youth players from overseas that just need a bit of polishing? Don't get me wrong, I'm not on the "It's the foreigners' fault!" front at all - I just don't think clubs are willing to take the time with their own youth any more where they can help it, for the vast majority. Which brings me waaay back round to the point of this post. The Burton Academy can take this risk for them - ergo, it's a necessary component to the national side's development. Why did the FA take so bloody long to approve it?! Disclaimer: Very fuzzy-headed right now, through several means, so I may have worded that badly. Take the general gist of it!Academy football is better now than its ever been, but the Burton centre will only reinforce this, and in 5 or 10 years time we SHOULD have some reward! |
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Post by GeoFox on Dec 20, 2007 20:58:24 GMT -1
Good points Neko. Good players from the Championship are expensive, thats true Mort...but you have to ask yourself how they acquired them. They developed them through their academies or took chances on them from the lower leagues. The bigger Premier League clubs don't have the academy focus because they can buy their talent rather than grow it.
Last season Leicester won the FA Premier Academy League. Sunderland came 2nd. We really shouldn't win that, we are after all fucking crap; bigger clubs have far more resources...they just don't use them in that area. Now our future depends on these lads do well and get some big money in.
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Post by Roaster©®™ on Dec 20, 2007 22:55:18 GMT -1
A bit late to this conversation but I was gob-smacked when I read in the press in the main issue appeared to be the location!
David Sheepshanks (from Ipswich) to name but 1 was concerned that Burton was too far from London!
What the fuck the distance from any centre of excellence / national academy from London has to with it beggars belief!
London ain't the centre of the Universe (as so many people seem to think in their delusions of grandeur).
A central location makes perfect sense to make it easily accessible by all areas of the UK - whether by road, rail or air! I suppose if you spend a week on a sodding barge it's feasible by water too!
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Post by mortontheblade on Dec 21, 2007 8:28:42 GMT -1
London ain't the centre of the Universe (as so many people seem to think in their delusions of grandeur). it is to fat rich businessmen...... i seem to remember the rights to build the British Sports Academy were won by Sheffield ...... .... only for a London based committee to decide na actually thats too far north i've never heard of the British Sports Academy since..... i've feeling it was scrapped |
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Post by mortontheblade on Dec 21, 2007 8:46:47 GMT -1
Good players from the Championship are expensive, thats true Mort...but you have to ask yourself how they acquired them. na we nicked most of ours ;D  |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Dec 21, 2007 11:29:48 GMT -1
Oh...and its 5 miles from my house so i can nip down there and give Capello some English lessons when he visits! take him a flat cap while your at it and a nice warm cup of Bovril ;D |
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Post by ovechkin8 on Dec 21, 2007 13:34:02 GMT -1
Twenty years after it was mooted too. The problem as Foxy says is coaching. Too much emphasis on physical play & little on nurturing flair & technique. Those with skill are treated like lepers. Matt Le Tissier, Glenn Hoddle , Peter Osgood etc etc. Donkeys like Peter Reid , David Batty wahey. What great players. |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Dec 21, 2007 13:48:53 GMT -1
Donkeys like Peter Reid , David Batty wahey. What great players. you forgot fatty Lampard |
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Dec 21, 2007 15:24:30 GMT -1
Oh...and its 5 miles from my house so i can nip down there and give Capello some English lessons when he visits! take him a flat cap while your at it and a nice warm cup of Bovril ;D I might just do that - better than a hat covered in badges and some jellied eels!! ;D |
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yet being honest he's only worth £3 million so why can they jack the price up so high.
