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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Apr 14, 2008 11:27:58 GMT -1
Now you can't knock him for some of these comments. Controversial remarks
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Prince Philip, Duke of EdinburghPrince Philip is well-known for making remarks during public visits which are sometimes regarded as insensitive.[17]
Speaking to a driving instructor in Scotland, he asked: "How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to get them through the test?"[18]
When visiting China in 1986, he told a group of British students, "If you stay here much longer, you'll all be slitty-eyed".[18]
After accepting a gift from a Kenyan citizen he replied, "You are a woman, aren't you?"[18]
"If it has four legs and is not a chair, has wings and is not an aeroplane, or swims and is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it." (1986)[18]
In 1966 he remarked that "British women can't cook."[18]
To a British student in Papua New Guinea: "You managed not to get eaten then?"[18]
Angering local residents in Lockerbie when on a visit to the town in 1993, the Prince said to a man who lived in a road where eleven people had been killed by wreckage from the Pan Am jumbo jet: "People usually say that after a fire it is water damage that is the worst. We are still trying to dry out Windsor Castle."[19]
On a visit to the new National Assembly for Wales in Cardiff, he told a group of deaf children standing next to a Jamaican steel drum band, "Deaf? If you are near there, no wonder you are deaf."[20][18]
In 2002, he asked an Indigenous Australian businessman, "Do you still throw spears at each other?"[21][18]
Said to a Briton in Budapest, Hungary, "You can't have been here that long – you haven't got a pot belly." (1993)[18]
Seeing a shoddily installed fuse box in a high-tech Edinburgh factory, HRH remarked that it looked "like it was put in by an Indian".[22][23]
"Aren't most of you descended from pirates?" (in 1994, to an islander in the Cayman Islands)[18]
At the height of the recession in 1981 he said: "Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed."[18]
Upon presenting a Duke of Edinburgh Award to a student, when informed that the young man was going to help out in Romania for six months, he asked if the student was going to help the Romanian orphans; upon being informed he was not, it was claimed the 85-year-old duke added: "Ah good, there's so many over there you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages."[24]
At the University of Salford, he told a 13-year-old aspiring astronaut: "You could do with losing a bit of weight."[25]
In 1997, the Duke of Edinburgh, participating in an already controversial British visit to the Jallianwala Bagh massacre (Amritsar Massacre) Monument, provoked outrage in India and in the UK with an offhand comment. Having observed a plaque claiming "This place is saturated with the blood of about two thousand Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims who were martyred in a non-violent struggle.", Prince Philip observed, "That's a bit exaggerated, it must include the wounded". When asked how he had come to this conclusion Philip said "I was told about the killings by General Dyer's son. I'd met him while I was in the Navy." [26]
During a Royal visit to a Tamil Hindu temple in London, he asked a Hindu priest if he was related to terrorist organization the Tamil Tigers.[18]
In 1996, he drew sharp criticism when he said "a gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman". The comment came in the wake of the massacre of 16 children and their teacher in Dunblane, Scotland.[20]
In 1987, he wrote in his foreword to If I Were an Animal that "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."[27]
In 2002, speaking to a blind, wheelchair bound woman who was accompanied by her guide dog, he remarked : "Do you know they're now producing eating dogs for the anorexics?"ok Phil can escape the burning  |
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 11:28:01 GMT -1
Hammam was chairing the meeting and his comments weren't challenged by anyone. In fact they were cheered by all.  Where can I see this? Hammam at least is the past now and will hopefully stay there, I'd be interested to see who else was at the meeting... |
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Apr 14, 2008 11:29:51 GMT -1
Hammam was chairing the meeting and his comments weren't challenged by anyone. In fact they were cheered by all. Where can I see this? Hammam at least is the past now and will hopefully stay there, I'd be interested to see who else was at the meeting... I saw it on telly a few years back. It may be on one of the many video upload sites. |
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 11:36:43 GMT -1
That may be true Jules but it is normally limited to local and historical inter-club rivalry. To constantly mock a country on one hand and yet on the other hand to be desperate to play in that country's competitions leaves them open to all sorts of criticism. The English-Welsh rivalry/hatred has never really been that big a thing in football in my experience, in fact until the FA Cup game I felt nothing but utter indifference towards Cardiff.....the problem is that certain sections of the Cardiff fanbase seem to bask in bringing nationalism up as an issue, which is why unfortunately they are not popular. With respect, do you really think that Cardiff City would even register emotionally with the vast majority of supporters of English clubs were it not for their reputation for being so blatantly anti-English? Unfortunately this has become an issue within the media, but all the seeds have been sown in South Wales. Yes but I'm sure you know the reasons for inter-club rivalry are frequently sectarian and at the least regionalist - obviously where nationality gets involved it's going to be a bigger deal to some. So you'd be okay with Cardiff if patriotic feelings were repressed? I don't know if that would be possible. I know the reasons for the strong reaction against Cardiff are partly justified by the violent hooliganism seen on occasion in the past, and the verbal abuse - but frankly it comes from both sides, so what do you expect? There is a tendency to fight fire with fire I think maybe there is a problem... but I also think it's sown by people both sides of the border. If you want me to say "oh dear, it's all us dreadful Welshies' fault!" - I'm sorry I can't accept that. |
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Post by C@V on Apr 14, 2008 11:42:44 GMT -1
That may be true Jules but it is normally limited to local and historical inter-club rivalry. To constantly mock a country on one hand and yet on the other hand to be desperate to play in that country's competitions leaves them open to all sorts of criticism. The English-Welsh rivalry/hatred has never really been that big a thing in football in my experience, in fact until the FA Cup game I felt nothing but utter indifference towards Cardiff.....the problem is that certain sections of the Cardiff fanbase seem to bask in bringing nationalism up as an issue, which is why unfortunately they are not popular. With respect, do you really think that Cardiff City would even register emotionally with the vast majority of supporters of English clubs were it not for their reputation for being so blatantly anti-English? Unfortunately this has become an issue within the media, but all the seeds have been sown in South Wales. Yes but I'm sure you know the reasons for inter-club rivalry are frequently sectarian and at the least regionalist - obviously where nationality gets involved it's going to be a bigger deal to some. So you'd be okay with Cardiff if patriotic feelings were repressed? I don't know if that would be possible. I know the reasons for the strong reaction against Cardiff are partly justified by the violent hooliganism seen on occasion in the past, and the verbal abuse - but frankly it comes from both sides, so what do you expect? There is a tendency to fight fire with fire I think maybe there is a problem... but I also think it's sown by people both sides of the border. If you want me to say "oh dear, it's all us dreadful Welshies' fault!" - I'm sorry I can't accept that. I've been to games against both Cardiff and Swansea. Now I won't deny that Swansea fans can also be trouble but they don't seem to have the same anti English stand point that Cardiff fans do IMO! |
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 11:51:45 GMT -1
I've been to games against both Cardiff and Swansea. Now I won't deny that Swansea fans can also be trouble but they don't seem to have the same anti English stand point that Cardiff fans do IMO! Maybe that's why they are Jacks - in love with the Union?!  Though I heard it was after a dog called Jack... meh. I think battling Cardiff is the summit of Swansea's ambition though! |
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Apr 14, 2008 11:53:44 GMT -1
I had a mate who grew up on the Wirral and his dad grew up in Wales. Evry time his dad took him to Wales they had abuse hurled at them in Welsh. His dad would then shut them up by replying in his native tongue. I refuse to holiday in Wales because of the shit they give us. All the 'you are welcome to visit but don't come live here' bollocks. We are all more British than we admit. The only stigma is that those from other shores like to call themselves British. Research has shown that less than 10% of people living in this country habour DNA from other races who have invaded. Romans,Saxons,Normans. So deep down the Welsh are the same as the other 90-odd%. Just that they choose to be different.
The Irish have more reason to hate us than the Welsh after the famine and how the English treated them but you holiday in Eire and they welcome us warmly.
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Post by Travis on Apr 14, 2008 11:53:46 GMT -1
That may be true Jules but it is normally limited to local and historical inter-club rivalry. To constantly mock a country on one hand and yet on the other hand to be desperate to play in that country's competitions leaves them open to all sorts of criticism. The English-Welsh rivalry/hatred has never really been that big a thing in football in my experience, in fact until the FA Cup game I felt nothing but utter indifference towards Cardiff.....the problem is that certain sections of the Cardiff fanbase seem to bask in bringing nationalism up as an issue, which is why unfortunately they are not popular. With respect, do you really think that Cardiff City would even register emotionally with the vast majority of supporters of English clubs were it not for their reputation for being so blatantly anti-English? Unfortunately this has become an issue within the media, but all the seeds have been sown in South Wales. Yes but I'm sure you know the reasons for inter-club rivalry are frequently sectarian and at the least regionalist - obviously where nationality gets involved it's going to be a bigger deal to some. So you'd be okay with Cardiff if patriotic feelings were repressed? I don't know if that would be possible. I know the reasons for the strong reaction against Cardiff are partly justified by the violent hooliganism seen on occasion in the past, and the verbal abuse - but frankly it comes from both sides, so what do you expect? There is a tendency to fight fire with fire I think maybe there is a problem... but I also think it's sown by people both sides of the border. If you want me to say "oh dear, it's all us dreadful Welshies' fault!" - I'm sorry I can't accept that. I have no problem with Welsh national pride and I'm sure many others wouldn't Jules, and if songs were sung to positive effect about national identity then there would be no problems on the day, I'm sure. It's the need for many of the morons to articulate their 'pride' by slagging off the English which is the issue of concern for most. As I say, the anti-Welsh stuff in my experience as always come as a response to the Cardiff fans, and no disrepect but other than on this issue, I don't think Cardiff really register that highly in a typical supporter's mindset. The fact is the Welsh, at least the Cardiff fans always push the issue to the forefront. Sure, Welsh supporters are called sheep shaggers, just like Derby, Leeds and goodness knows how many other sets are by rival fans. The difference for me lies in the ferocity of it all, it seems to be more on the level of mockery towards the Welsh - and let's face it, the English have always perceived the Scots as greater rivals - but from the Welsh it appears more on the lines of hatred. As far as I'm concerned, it all lies in the corner of the Cardiff supporters. It is their behaviour which will go a long way to re-inforcing/altering perceptions about them. |
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 12:00:16 GMT -1
I had a mate who grew up on the Wirral and his dad grew up in Wales. Evry time his dad took him to Wales they had abuse hurled at them in Welsh. His dad would then shut them up by replying in his native tongue. I refuse to holiday in Wales because of the shit they give us. All the 'you are welcome to visit but don't come live here' bollocks. We are all more British than we admit. The only stigma is that those from other shores like to call themselves British. Research has shown that less than 10% of people living in this country habour DNA from other races who have invaded. Romans,Saxons,Normans. So deep down the Welsh are the same as the other 90-odd%. Just that they choose to be different. The Irish have more reason to hate us than the Welsh after the famine and how the English treated them but you holiday in Eire and they welcome us warmly. Back in the day I gather that North Wales was indeed quite rabid As for the research, don't ask me, but I'm more than happy to acknowledge being a "mongrel"  Not sure you want to encourage Ireland as a comparison... not much terrorist activity in Wales in living memory!  |
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Post by HURLOCK on Apr 14, 2008 12:04:14 GMT -1
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 12:08:11 GMT -1
I have no problem with Welsh national pride and I'm sure many others wouldn't Jules, and if songs were sung to positive effect about national identity then there would be no problems on the day, I'm sure. It's the need for many of the morons to articulate their 'pride' by slagging off the English which is the issue of concern for most. As I say, the anti-Welsh stuff in my experience as always come as a response to the Cardiff fans, and no disrepect but other than on this issue, I don't think Cardiff really register that highly in a typical supporter's mindset. The fact is the Welsh, at least the Cardiff fans always push the issue to the forefront. Sure, Welsh supporters are called sheep shaggers, just like Derby, Leeds and goodness knows how many other sets are by rival fans. The difference for me lies in the ferocity of it all, it seems to be more on the level of mockery towards the Welsh - and let's face it, the English have always perceived the Scots as greater rivals - but from the Welsh it appears more on the lines of hatred. As far as I'm concerned, it all lies in the corner of the Cardiff supporters. It is their behaviour which will go a long way to re-inforcing/altering perceptions about them. Jolly good... tis a bit chicken and egg this though isn't it? Cardiff may not register that highly but every Englishman seems to have an opinion on Wales - and generally that opinion seems to be one of ridicule or contempt. That is bound to "irk" a proud people. Well I can laugh about it sometimes, at other times it seems highly xenophobic and then I lash out - and I figure most others are like that too. Plus as I've said before if you think about the history, there are reasons to be aggrieved - seeing as you mention Scotland, whose rivalry is for similar reasons, no? Exactly, you wash your hands of it but you won't even acknowledge that there are two sides to all this. Ideally there would be no sides to it (!) but it's like arguing for unilateral disarmament! |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Apr 14, 2008 12:11:17 GMT -1
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Post by Travis on Apr 14, 2008 12:12:21 GMT -1
I have no problem with Welsh national pride and I'm sure many others wouldn't Jules, and if songs were sung to positive effect about national identity then there would be no problems on the day, I'm sure. It's the need for many of the morons to articulate their 'pride' by slagging off the English which is the issue of concern for most. As I say, the anti-Welsh stuff in my experience as always come as a response to the Cardiff fans, and no disrepect but other than on this issue, I don't think Cardiff really register that highly in a typical supporter's mindset. The fact is the Welsh, at least the Cardiff fans always push the issue to the forefront. Sure, Welsh supporters are called sheep shaggers, just like Derby, Leeds and goodness knows how many other sets are by rival fans. The difference for me lies in the ferocity of it all, it seems to be more on the level of mockery towards the Welsh - and let's face it, the English have always perceived the Scots as greater rivals - but from the Welsh it appears more on the lines of hatred. As far as I'm concerned, it all lies in the corner of the Cardiff supporters. It is their behaviour which will go a long way to re-inforcing/altering perceptions about them. Jolly good... tis a bit chicken and egg this though isn't it? Cardiff may not register that highly but every Englishman seems to have an opinion on Wales - and generally that opinion seems to be one of ridicule or contempt. That is bound to "irk" a proud people. Well I can laugh about it sometimes, at other times it seems highly xenophobic and then I lash out - and I figure most others are like that too. Plus as I've said before if you think about the history, there are reasons to be aggrieved - seeing as you mention Scotland, whose rivalry is for similar reasons, no? Exactly, you wash your hands of it but you won't even acknowledge that there are two sides to all this. Ideally there would be no sides to it (!) but it's like arguing for unilateral disarmament! Anyway I'm bored of this, and getting rather pissed off that nobody is slagging off Leeds!!!  What's wrong with everyone! ;D |
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 12:14:50 GMT -1
Anyway I'm bored of this, and getting rather pissed off that nobody is slagging off Leeds!!! What's wrong with everyone! ;D I see, when I have a go at discussing the issues sensibly, nobody is interested!!! We all hate Dirty Leeds Trav... goes without saying fella!!! ;D or alternatively... "No offence but they don't feature on our radar anymore!"  |
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Post by Travis on Apr 14, 2008 12:15:49 GMT -1
Anyway I'm bored of this, and getting rather pissed off that nobody is slagging off Leeds!!! What's wrong with everyone! ;D I see, when I have a go at discussing the issues sensibly, nobody is interested!!! We all hate Dirty Leeds Trav... goes without saying fella!!! ;D or alternatively... "No offence but they don't feature on our radar anymore!" If Man United fans still sing about us at every home game, we're still lurking on there! |
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 12:17:33 GMT -1
If Man United fans still sing about us at every home game, we're still lurking on there! What, as in: "Who the F**k are Leeds United?!" ;D Watch out fella might end up being name-checked in a milk commercial in a few years!  |
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Post by Travis on Apr 14, 2008 12:19:55 GMT -1
If Man United fans still sing about us at every home game, we're still lurking on there! What, as in: "Who the F**k are Leeds United?!" ;D Watch out fella might end up being name-checked in a milk commercial in a few years! I wouldn't want a couple of scraggy, milk drinking Scousers in our youth set-up anyway! |
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Post by HURLOCK on Apr 14, 2008 12:24:15 GMT -1
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 12:25:41 GMT -1
I wouldn't want a couple of scraggy, milk drinking Scousers in our youth set-up anyway! I can almost hear the half-time talk... "hack the legs boys! the Leeds players all have osteoporosis!" |
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