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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 10:50:03 GMT -1
Posted by OldNinianPark - "Any other City fans annoyed that the FA Cup final, our greatest achievement for 81 years has become less about football and more about nationalistic politics. We have the idiots who will be intent on showing Cardiff City up live across the world by Booing a national anthem. Instead of keeping quiet and accepting that more people like the anthem than dislike added to the fact it’s hugely disrespectful of the league we play in. (The kids who say nothing other than ‘Get out of our league’, ‘Go play in your own league’ zzzzzzzzz will love that comment) I’m starting to grow increasingly weary of a potential FA Cup win being completely being overshadowed by a media and opposing fan outcry at our fans behaviour. Let’s not fool ourselves, 75% of the media hate us, that’s Cardiff and the Welsh. Some because a large majority of City fans show hatred towards the English, others because they simply can’t accept the Welsh (and the Scottish and Irish and German and French etc) are better than them for how ever long it may be. So for a section of our fans to boo GSTQ would be like winning the lottery to them, they could run the story for weeks and weeks, campaigns left, right and centre. Conveniently forgetting our win and pushing it to the backwaters of history, only to be brought when they have no choice and for a small amount of time as possible. I think we need some kind of media campaign before the final to rid Wembley of these fools who can’t keep quiet. We need to save our Final and keep it all about the football." Well said I think
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Post by C@V on Apr 14, 2008 10:53:33 GMT -1
I didn't know Cardiff City we're planning to boo the English National Anthem! You guys suck!
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Post by Travis on Apr 14, 2008 10:54:29 GMT -1
Posted by OldNinianPark - "Any other City fans annoyed that the FA Cup final, our greatest achievement for 81 years has become less about football and more about nationalistic politics. We have the idiots who will be intent on showing Cardiff City up live across the world by Booing a national anthem. Instead of keeping quiet and accepting that more people like the anthem than dislike added to the fact it’s hugely disrespectful of the league we play in. (The kids who say nothing other than ‘Get out of our league’, ‘Go play in your own league’ zzzzzzzzz will love that comment) I’m starting to grow increasingly weary of a potential FA Cup win being completely being overshadowed by a media and opposing fan outcry at our fans behaviour. Let’s not fool ourselves, 75% of the media hate us, that’s Cardiff and the Welsh. Some because a large majority of City fans show hatred towards the English, others because they simply can’t accept the Welsh (and the Scottish and Irish and German and French etc) are better than them for how ever long it may be. So for a section of our fans to boo GSTQ would be like winning the lottery to them, they could run the story for weeks and weeks, campaigns left, right and centre. Conveniently forgetting our win and pushing it to the backwaters of history, only to be brought when they have no choice and for a small amount of time as possible. I think we need some kind of media campaign before the final to rid Wembley of these fools who can’t keep quiet. We need to save our Final and keep it all about the football." Well said I think Are we going down that road again Jules? ;D This is the line that says it all for me.... " Some because a large majority of City fans show hatred towards the English....."Then again, I guess you knew that!
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 10:57:33 GMT -1
I didn't know Cardiff City we're planning to boo the English National Anthem! You guys suck! Some might, unfortunately. Hopefully the majority will just stay quiet during it.
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 11:00:47 GMT -1
Are we going down that road again Jules? ;D " Some because a large majority of City fans show hatred towards the English....."Then again, I guess you knew that! Tisn't for your benefit Ads, but I thought it was a good article. Well the hatred may be mutual, but there's no need to exacerbate it
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Apr 14, 2008 11:02:35 GMT -1
What you reap is what you sow.
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 11:05:05 GMT -1
What you reap is what you sow. This ONP (and a number of other posters on BBC606) are saying they want to sow good vibes. I lament the fact that lots of people hate us, and so do plenty of other of our fans - so put away your brush and tar!
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Post by Travis on Apr 14, 2008 11:07:08 GMT -1
Are we going down that road again Jules? ;D " Some because a large majority of City fans show hatred towards the English....."Then again, I guess you knew that! Tisn't for your benefit Ads, but I thought it was a good article. Well the hatred may be mutual, but there's no need to exacerbate it It just seems pathetic that they can't reconcile the fact that their blatant displays of hatred for the English and their desire to participate in higher profile/standard competition are not compatible notions. If any team or nation participates in a competition in which they continually slate their hosts, they cannot possibly expect to be viewed favourably. You say some might spoil the national anthem but the majority will respect it. I have a bad feeling it'll be the other way around.
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Apr 14, 2008 11:08:44 GMT -1
What you reap is what you sow. This ONP (and a number of other posters on BBC606) are saying they want to sow good vibes. I lament the fact that lots of people hate us, and so do plenty of other of our fans - so put away your brush and tar! I don't hate you and actually like underdogs to win. But (some) Cardiff fans are intent on showing what twats they are and that you cannot deny. I remember seeing the secretly filmed fans parties where the fans and club officials were condoning such behaviour. Now you can't blame that on journalisitic lying.
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Apr 14, 2008 11:10:02 GMT -1
I always boo GSTQ and i aint Welsh............just hate those bunch of German inbreds
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Post by Travis on Apr 14, 2008 11:12:58 GMT -1
I always boo GSTQ and i aint Welsh............just hate those bunch of German inbreds Philistine!! I love the Sex Pistols!!
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Apr 14, 2008 11:13:56 GMT -1
I like the Queen and think Prince Phil is a star!
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Apr 14, 2008 11:15:20 GMT -1
I always boo GSTQ and i aint Welsh............just hate those bunch of German inbreds Philistine!! I love the Sex Pistols!! ..............Fascist Regime ;D
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Apr 14, 2008 11:16:08 GMT -1
does she take it up the arse then
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 11:16:26 GMT -1
It just seems pathetic that they can't reconcile the fact that their blatant displays of hatred for the English and their desire to participate in higher profile/standard competition are not compatible notions. You say some might spoil the national anthem but the majority will respect it. I have a bad feeling it'll be the other way around. Why not?! Hatred has been a problem in football at the highest level, I don't think I need to name names to make that truth obvious! The club is not fully responsible for who follows it or why. The problem is it only takes one coach-load to be booing and it'll be picked up on and reported as "a large minority" I think most non-idiots will get the message that simple silence during the anthem is a more effective and less offensive sign of indifference.
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Post by jh1980 on Apr 14, 2008 11:19:08 GMT -1
I don't hate you and actually like underdogs to win. But (some) Cardiff fans are intent on showing what twats they are and that you cannot deny. I remember seeing the secretly filmed fans parties where the fans and club officials were condoning such behaviour. Now you can't blame that on journalisitic lying. That's nice to hear. I don't deny there are some rum sorts - but I still don't believe it's worse than with many clubs I haven't seen those, it might be an unpleasant shock for me. I remember Hammam was involved with some unfortunate comments though
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Apr 14, 2008 11:22:50 GMT -1
Now you can't knock him for some of these comments.
Controversial remarks Wikiquote has a collection of quotations related to: Prince Philip, Duke of EdinburghPrince Philip is well-known for making remarks during public visits which are sometimes regarded as insensitive.[17]
Speaking to a driving instructor in Scotland, he asked: "How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to get them through the test?"[18] When visiting China in 1986, he told a group of British students, "If you stay here much longer, you'll all be slitty-eyed".[18] After accepting a gift from a Kenyan citizen he replied, "You are a woman, aren't you?"[18] "If it has four legs and is not a chair, has wings and is not an aeroplane, or swims and is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it." (1986)[18] In 1966 he remarked that "British women can't cook."[18] To a British student in Papua New Guinea: "You managed not to get eaten then?"[18] Angering local residents in Lockerbie when on a visit to the town in 1993, the Prince said to a man who lived in a road where eleven people had been killed by wreckage from the Pan Am jumbo jet: "People usually say that after a fire it is water damage that is the worst. We are still trying to dry out Windsor Castle."[19] On a visit to the new National Assembly for Wales in Cardiff, he told a group of deaf children standing next to a Jamaican steel drum band, "Deaf? If you are near there, no wonder you are deaf."[20][18] In 2002, he asked an Indigenous Australian businessman, "Do you still throw spears at each other?"[21][18] Said to a Briton in Budapest, Hungary, "You can't have been here that long – you haven't got a pot belly." (1993)[18] Seeing a shoddily installed fuse box in a high-tech Edinburgh factory, HRH remarked that it looked "like it was put in by an Indian".[22][23] "Aren't most of you descended from pirates?" (in 1994, to an islander in the Cayman Islands)[18] At the height of the recession in 1981 he said: "Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed."[18] Upon presenting a Duke of Edinburgh Award to a student, when informed that the young man was going to help out in Romania for six months, he asked if the student was going to help the Romanian orphans; upon being informed he was not, it was claimed the 85-year-old duke added: "Ah good, there's so many over there you feel they breed them just to put in orphanages."[24] At the University of Salford, he told a 13-year-old aspiring astronaut: "You could do with losing a bit of weight."[25] In 1997, the Duke of Edinburgh, participating in an already controversial British visit to the Jallianwala Bagh massacre (Amritsar Massacre) Monument, provoked outrage in India and in the UK with an offhand comment. Having observed a plaque claiming "This place is saturated with the blood of about two thousand Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims who were martyred in a non-violent struggle.", Prince Philip observed, "That's a bit exaggerated, it must include the wounded". When asked how he had come to this conclusion Philip said "I was told about the killings by General Dyer's son. I'd met him while I was in the Navy." [26] During a Royal visit to a Tamil Hindu temple in London, he asked a Hindu priest if he was related to terrorist organization the Tamil Tigers.[18] In 1996, he drew sharp criticism when he said "a gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman". The comment came in the wake of the massacre of 16 children and their teacher in Dunblane, Scotland.[20] In 1987, he wrote in his foreword to If I Were an Animal that "In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation."[27] In 2002, speaking to a blind, wheelchair bound woman who was accompanied by her guide dog, he remarked : "Do you know they're now producing eating dogs for the anorexics?"
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Apr 14, 2008 11:24:25 GMT -1
I don't hate you and actually like underdogs to win. But (some) Cardiff fans are intent on showing what twats they are and that you cannot deny. I remember seeing the secretly filmed fans parties where the fans and club officials were condoning such behaviour. Now you can't blame that on journalisitic lying. That's nice to hear. I don't deny there are some rum sorts - but I still don't believe it's worse than with many clubs I haven't seen those, it might be an unpleasant shock for me. I remember Hammam was involved with some unfortunate comments though Hammam was chairing the meeting and his comments weren't challenged by anyone. In fact they were cheered by all.
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Post by MozzaBedfordSpur on Apr 14, 2008 11:25:27 GMT -1
"With her very highness with a head in a sling, I'm truly sorry that it sounds like a wonderful thing."
Taken from The Smiths song - The Queen is dead (1986)
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Post by Travis on Apr 14, 2008 11:27:08 GMT -1
It just seems pathetic that they can't reconcile the fact that their blatant displays of hatred for the English and their desire to participate in higher profile/standard competition are not compatible notions. You say some might spoil the national anthem but the majority will respect it. I have a bad feeling it'll be the other way around. Why not?! Hatred has been a problem in football at the highest level, I don't think I need to name names to make that truth obvious! The club is not fully responsible for who follows it or why. The problem is it only takes one coach-load to be booing and it'll be picked up on and reported as "a large minority" I think most non-idiots will get the message that simple silence during the anthem is a more effective and less offensive sign of indifference. That may be true Jules but it is normally limited to local and historical inter-club rivalry. To constantly mock a country on one hand and yet on the other hand to be desperate to play in that country's competitions leaves them open to all sorts of criticism. The English-Welsh rivalry/hatred has never really been that big a thing in football in my experience, in fact until the FA Cup game I felt nothing but utter indifference towards Cardiff.....the problem is that certain sections of the Cardiff fanbase seem to bask in bringing nationalism up as an issue, which is why unfortunately they are not popular. With respect, do you really think that Cardiff City would even register emotionally with the vast majority of supporters of English clubs were it not for their reputation for being so blatantly anti-English? Unfortunately this has become an issue within the media, but all the seeds have been sown is South Wales.
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