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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Aug 20, 2006 17:00:06 GMT -1
I can't tell really. I think the play this evening has been called off because of the controversy. Light would have come into play if it'd been sorted out this evening. The umpires are perfectly within the law: Law 21 (the result) 3. Umpires awarding a match (a) A match shall be lost by a side which either (i) concedes defeat or (ii) in the opinion of the umpires refuses to play and the umpires shall award the match to the other side. What I'm wondering is whether or not Pakistan will turn up tomorrow The statement the PCB released said they have no problem with the ECB... If they dont turn up ECB lose revenue... So they might, but it depends on how proud the Pakistan players are! England are probably wondering what the hell is going on as well
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Post by Bobcat Robinson on Aug 20, 2006 17:04:06 GMT -1
The statement the PCB released said they have no problem with the ECB... If they dont turn up ECB lose revenue... So they might, but it depends on how proud the Pakistan players are! England are probably wondering what the hell is going on as well Hell yeah... Its very confusing!
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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Aug 20, 2006 17:06:58 GMT -1
England are probably wondering what the hell is going on as well Hell yeah... Its very confusing! I reckon they're probably more informed than us fans though Anyway, before my brain explodes with confusion, I shall go and see what Channel 5 has to say about it Cheerio!
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Post by Bobcat Robinson on Aug 20, 2006 17:10:43 GMT -1
Hell yeah... Its very confusing! I reckon they're probably more informed than us fans though Anyway, before my brain explodes with confusion, I shall go and see what Channel 5 has to say about it Cheerio! Talk soon Hannah!
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Post by miz on Aug 20, 2006 19:29:21 GMT -1
If you are penalised 5 runs accept it and if you not happy, have a moan and complain afterwards.
If in a football match your team concedes a penalty and you think it's the wrong decision...you don't tell your team to stay in the changing room at half time and have a sulk because there is a chance that a wrong decision was made.
What they did showed utter contempt to the paying customers at the match. The umpires may or may not have been right, but that should not have resulted in this lunacy.
If you refuse to return to the field of play the umpire has the right to close the game.
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Post by miz on Aug 20, 2006 20:45:29 GMT -1
waheey. We have won the fourth test.
Lovely jubbly.
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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Aug 20, 2006 20:57:24 GMT -1
Well there's a turn-up. Ah well, 3-0 ;D
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Post by rooobarbcustard on Aug 21, 2006 2:58:30 GMT -1
Pakistan forfeited the fourth Test against England after the match descended into chaos when the tourists were penalised for ball-tampering. Pakistan were penalised five runs by the umpires and refused to take to the field after tea in protest.
The tourists later made a U-turn, but umpires Darrell Hair and Billy Doctrove would not return to the field of play.
Officials spent several hours trying to find a resolution but the match was eventually awarded to England.
A joint statement from the ICC, England and Wales Cricket Board and Pakistan Cricket Board read: "After lengthy negotiations which resulted in agreement between the teams, the match referee and both the ECB and PCB to resume the fourth Test tomorrow, it was concluded that with regret there will be no play on the fifth day.
The award of those penalty runs for alleged interference with the ball is under review by the ICC match referee Mike Proctor
Joint statement from ICC, ECB, PCB
"The fourth Test has therefore been forfeited with the match being awarded to England.
"In accordance with the laws of cricket, it was noted that the umpires had correctly deemed that Pakistan had forfeited the match and awarded the Test to England.
"The Pakistan team was aggrieved by the award of five penalty runs to England.
"The award of those penalty runs for alleged interference with the ball is under review by the ICC match referee Mike Proctor, whose report will be considered in due course.
"ICC will be issuing a separate report concerning action which may be taken in relation to the forfeiture of the match by Pakistan."
England therefore took the series 3-0, but chief executive David Collier said the ECB expressed regret that "spectators, television viewers, and radio listeners [had been] deprived of play".
He added that there would be a 40% refund for fourth-day tickets and a full refund for those holding tickets for Monday's play.
Earlier Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Shaharyar Khan explained to the BBC why the team had chosen to make their protest.
"We simply said we would stay indoors for a few minutes then go out and play."
The row began when Hair and Doctrove stopped play to look at the condition of the ball after 56 overs with England on 230-3. It had begun to reverse-swing and they declared it had been altered artificially.
Pakistan felt a grave accusation had been made against the team and country, and felt deeply insulted
PCB chairman Shaharyar Khan
They penalised Pakistan five runs and allowed England batsmen Kevin Pietersen and Paul Collingwood to select another ball.
Pakistan captain Inzamam-ul-Haq was clearly upset and annoyed at the decision but play continued without further incident until tea.
After the interval, however, Pakistan failed to come out and the umpires removed the bails after walking onto the pitch for a second time.
Thirty minutes later Pakistan emerged and walked onto the pitch but were told to head back to the dressing room because the umpires would not be coming out.
Khan said the team had been insulted by the accusation of cheating.
"The umpires have concluded the ball was deliberately scuffed and we are absolutely 100% sure that is not the case," he said.
"What we feel very resentful about is that the captain was not informed something was going wrong with the ball and told to contain it.
"Umpires are within their rights to decide without consulting but there was no consultation with anyone and no evidence seems to have been given.
"One or two of the management staff have had a look and are convinced this is a ball which has been hit about for 56 overs.
"We think it's the kind of ball you'd expect to see and there is no evidence of deliberate scuffing. We hope the ball will be showed so people can make up their own minds about it."
Play officially ended for the day at 1813 BST with England - who had already won the series - on 298-4, 33 runs behind Pakistan.
Australian Hair is no stranger to controversy, having famously no-balled Sri Lanka spinner Muttiah Muralitharan for throwing in the Melbourne Test of 1995.
He also reported Pakistan all-rounder Shahid Afridi for scuffing the pitch with his boots in the second Test against England last winter.
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Post by rooobarbcustard on Aug 21, 2006 4:43:06 GMT -1
ICC action expected on Oval Test The International Cricket Council are expected to make another statement on the chaotic end to England's fourth Test with Pakistan later on Monday. Pakistan forfeited the match after failing to take the field for the final session in a protest against being penalised for ball-tampering.
The ICC offices in Dubai are officially closed because of a public holiday.
But match referee Mike Proctor is compiling a report into the first forfeited Test in the game's history.
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Post by kinghornet on Aug 21, 2006 11:20:34 GMT -1
this match is a fuckin farce... thats all - it was heading for a draw at best for us... we won this series 2-0 not 3-0 and the whole of cricket now looks crap cos pakistan "took there bat away" when they were accused of cheating. ok theres no proof but 5 runs doesnt make a difference when they already had a total of 504 . ok theres no proof but umpires decided... as for the umpires not going out after pakistan agreed to play again - what were they thinking? did they want to spoil the match and tarnish cricket for god knows how long? its estimated that surrey CCC have lost £400,000 cos of all the refunds they now have to give fans who bought tickets for the final days play and 40% of yesterdays ticket prices... RIP cricket (as we knew it) 20/08/2006
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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Aug 21, 2006 11:47:09 GMT -1
It's a disgrace, as soon as cricketers realise that cricket is also about the fans the better. We want to watch something not have people sulk and question an umpire's decision, even though it may be wrong. I am annoyed and sad that this series should end like this. It's a shame that the authorities didn't take about 2 minutes to tell the crowd at the Oval what was going on. It doesn't take much. Yesterday was about pride and egos. We probably won't see this ever again, but if we do, let's hope that umpires and authorities handle it better.
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Post by miz on Aug 21, 2006 12:16:12 GMT -1
[quote author=kinghornet board=jedwskihfiehfe thread=1155751499 post=1156162834]this match is a fuckin farce... thats all - it was heading for a draw at best for us...
we won this series 2-0 not 3-0 and the whole of cricket now looks crap cos pakistan "took there bat away" when they were accused of cheating. ok theres no proof but 5 runs doesnt make a difference when they already had a total of 504 . ok theres no proof but umpires decided... as for the umpires not going out after pakistan agreed to play again - what were they thinking? did they want to spoil the match and tarnish cricket for god knows how long? its estimated that surrey CCC have lost £400,000 cos of all the refunds they now have to give fans who bought tickets for the final days play and 40% of yesterdays ticket prices... RIP cricket (as we knew it) 20/08/2006 [/quote] England have won the match whether you like it or not. Pakistan refused to play so England win. The Pakistan team acted like a bunch of kids with a tantrum. If a player is accused of diving in a football match and recieves a yellow card, you don't see him go running down the tunnel refusing to play! It's pathetic.
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Post by Roaster©®™ on Aug 21, 2006 14:02:45 GMT -1
Do the stats count then - can the Pakistani bowlers claim the wickets they took? England batsmen - do their runs count towards their career stats etc?
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Post by rooobarbcustard on Aug 21, 2006 14:06:47 GMT -1
Do the stats count then - can the Pakistani bowlers claim the wickets they took? England batsmen - do their runs count towards their career stats etc? yes as the game was live until the game was conceded., it is similar to when teams declare or draw a match, pakistan lost the game, to a law usually used in sunday league matches. you can win the game if the opposing team dont turn up when play is due to commence. first time in 129 years a test match has been forfieted thou.
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Post by shadow on Aug 21, 2006 17:25:17 GMT -1
so was the fouth test conceed by pakistan then making it like 4-0 to england ;D
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Post by miz on Aug 21, 2006 17:31:14 GMT -1
so was the fouth test conceed by pakistan then making it like 4-0 to england ;D Yes the fourth test was forfeited but that makes it 3-0 to England- Not 4-0! We drew the first test.
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Post by PureOldGold on Aug 21, 2006 21:35:36 GMT -1
Interesting points, I've been following this story very closely and it appears that Darrell Hair has a reputation, he kept on calling no balls cause he thought Murily (Sri lanka spin bowler, can't spell his name) kept 'chucking' the ball at a test match a few years back, even though its beyond the authority of a match day umpire to judge if a bowler is chucking or bowling. Pakistan made a complaint after the 3rd test cause they weren't happy with his performance, and also lodged complaints against him in a different test series. India have also made complaints against him, its not rocket science, but what do Sri Lanka, India and Pakistan all have in common. I think this umpire should be removed immediately for the good of the game. If they decide to pack up and go home, it will cost the ECB loads, as all 5 ODIs are sell outs, i have tickets for the 5th ODi at Egdbaston .
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Post by ITFC Dudette6 on Aug 21, 2006 21:38:11 GMT -1
It's been an interesting day, I've been watching Sky Sports News and following BBC Sport. There's so many rumours going around.
Did you see Inzy's having a hearing?
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Post by PureOldGold on Aug 21, 2006 21:43:24 GMT -1
It's been an interesting day, I've been watching Sky Sports News and following BBC Sport. There's so many rumours going around. Did you see Inzy's having a hearing? Hello . Yeah i've heard. Unless they find some sort of video evidence, which is very unlikely at this stage, surely they are innocent Why is Inzi the scapegoat, surely all the team should be responsible if anything has happened. LOL, if they are innocent, will they get an apology from Darrell hair i think not. Hopefully they will be innocent and the ODI's will go ahead.
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Post by PureOldGold on Aug 21, 2006 21:46:36 GMT -1
Inzamam-ul-Haq has confirmed that the Pakistani stance on their forfeited Test at The Oval is a matter of honour, after the match ball was changed by umpire Darrell Hair midway through the afternoon session.
"This game is about more than winning and losing," he told Cricinfo, "it's about respect and countries come first. If someone says to me you are a cheat and Pakistan is doing wrong things, my first priority is to my country."
Play was held up for 45 minutes after tea, following Pakistan's initial refusal to take the field, but Inzamam insisted: "We were ready to play. The main issue was not whether we were going onto the field, it was whether the ball had been tampered with or not.
"We had lodged our protest and after that we came [down] to the ground as normal as if we are playing. But then the umpires were not coming. It is up to them, and we await the referee's hearing committee."
It is not the first time that Pakistan has crossed swords with the controversial figure Hair, and Inzamam was unequivocal in his stance. "This allegation is mean," he said. "He's not saying what his allegation is, he's just saying your guy is cheating. In my personal opinion, TV will show if anyone is tampering.
"It's very simple," he continued. "There are 26 cameras there [from Sky Sports] and nobody's picked anything. This hearing will not take place in the [referee's] room, it's on the front of the media, everything is on the media."
Inzamam ran through the chain of events in his on-pitch confrontation with the umpires. "They did not warn me," he said, "and then they gave five [penalty] runs. [Hair] did not talk to me, he wasn't telling me when he's changed the ball, he didn't ask me 'can we change the ball?'"
The discussion continued when Hair went up to the Pakistan dressing-room to ask if they would be taking the field. "Personally I asked him: 'why did you change the ball?'", said Inzamam, adding that Hair responded that the ball had been tampered with, but then refused to show Inzamam the ball when he was asked, saying that it was in the referee's room.
"I said it is in my rights to see the ball," he added, "to show that the ball is doing nothing. I wanted to say it's ok, the condition of the ball has not changed, but Hair says 'It's my decision.'"
When asked if Pakistan felt persecuted by Hair, Inzamam responded: "Yes definitely. It's not once [with Hair], it's lots of times, we've already sent a letter before this to the ICC, asking that he does not umpire in Pakistan games. But still he is doing it. The controversy is always there.
"It's a big disappointment for me and my team and especially for cricket, the way this game was going. But I don't think we could carry on like this. If someone like this says "cheat" then this game is not on.
"There is definitely no problem with the England team," he confirmed, after last night's joint statement had confirmed that both teams had been willing to resume the game. "We know people were coming to watch today and we are sorry the game is not on," he added. "But we are sticking on to our decision because it's not the right thing that is going on."
In Inzamam's opinion, at this moment in time the five-match one-day series is not under threat.
hope not, big boy.
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