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Post by jh1980 on Feb 14, 2008 14:11:41 GMT -1
no Jules nothing " just occurs".... that was the point I was making.....There is a reason for everything..... How can something "just occur" without something causing it ? ? Do you not accept the difference between "cause" and "rationale" Trying to think of an example... okay, when an apple falls from a tree. The cause of the apple falling is gravity. However that apple didn't fall for a reason - it's not as if God any other "actuating agent" determined that it should fall!
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 14, 2008 14:12:40 GMT -1
let's not fall out about this...I'm right ! I have no intention of falling out with you! I wish simply to free your mind!!!
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Post by T C on Feb 14, 2008 14:16:14 GMT -1
usind your apple analagy then the " Reason " the apple fell was because of gravity and possibly strong wind... the cause of the apple falling was also attributable to gravity and possibly wind..... my point reinforced though that it doesn't " just happen " ! ! !
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Post by T C on Feb 14, 2008 14:17:29 GMT -1
And how do you know that " God" is NOT the cause/reason/whatever ? ? Can you PROVE his non-existence ? ?
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Post by T C on Feb 14, 2008 14:20:26 GMT -1
perhaps we should just go and count to a million !
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 14, 2008 14:22:22 GMT -1
usind your apple analagy then the " Reason " the apple fell was because of gravity and possibly strong wind... the cause of the apple falling was also attributable to gravity and possibly wind..... my point reinforced though that it doesn't " just happen " ! ! ! Still disagree mate. "reason" implies "purpose" while "cause" does not... eg: "The reason I am not loved by all the women is because God hates me. The cause is my paucity of good looks!" ;D
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 14, 2008 14:24:07 GMT -1
And how do you know that " God" is NOT the cause/reason/whatever ? ? Can you PROVE his non-existence ? ? As I just said below, if "God" exists then his actions could be taken as a reason, however not everything would have happen as a consequence of "His" will - but that is an argument for a Theologian, and drifts from the point!
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Post by T C on Feb 14, 2008 14:26:12 GMT -1
reason implies purpose ! right ! everything happens for a reason and purpose ! it's just that as humans sometimes we struggle to grasp what that purpose could be...especially when what has happened is horrible
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Post by T C on Feb 14, 2008 14:28:08 GMT -1
If and I say IF " God" exixts then theologians would argue that everything that happens IS his will....
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 14, 2008 14:29:21 GMT -1
reason implies purpose ! right ! everything happens for a reason and purpose ! it's just that as humans sometimes we struggle to grasp what that purpose could be...especially when what has happened is horrible Yes... but... what I am trying to say is sometimes we struggle because there IS NO PURPOSE OR REASON! There may however be a cause! Argh! ;D
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 14, 2008 14:30:13 GMT -1
If and I say IF " God" exixts then theologians would argue that everything that happens IS his will.... Depends which "God" you're talking about
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Post by Dr LuKas on Feb 14, 2008 14:31:37 GMT -1
;D You two should be on Newsnight or something.
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 14, 2008 14:32:41 GMT -1
;D You two should be on Newsnight or something. ;D I think I should get out more often....! ;D
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Post by HURLOCK on Feb 14, 2008 14:33:08 GMT -1
what will be will be, however to a certain degree you govern your won path
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Post by T C on Feb 14, 2008 14:35:09 GMT -1
what will be will be, however to a certain degree you govern your won path your won path ? ? ? is that ying or yang ? ?
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 14, 2008 14:37:49 GMT -1
what will be will be, however to a certain degree you govern your won path your won path ? ? ? is that ying or yang ? ? ;D Mmmm... Crispy Won Tun! ;D
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Post by T C on Feb 14, 2008 14:37:59 GMT -1
reason implies purpose ! right ! everything happens for a reason and purpose ! it's just that as humans sometimes we struggle to grasp what that purpose could be...especially when what has happened is horrible Yes... but... what I am trying to say is sometimes we struggle because there IS NO PURPOSE OR REASON! There may however be a cause! Argh! ;D We struggle because we can't COMPREHEND the purpose or reason ! ! ! double aaaaargh ! ;D
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 14, 2008 14:41:49 GMT -1
We struggle because we can't COMPREHEND the purpose or reason ! ! ! double aaaaargh ! ;D Unless you have religious leanings, the likelihood is that there simply AREN'T ANY! TRIPLE AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHH! ;D
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Post by T C on Feb 14, 2008 14:42:52 GMT -1
knock it on the head now shall we Jules and call it a draw ?
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Post by Dr LuKas on Feb 14, 2008 14:43:49 GMT -1
Peace out funkers!
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