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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Feb 7, 2008 9:25:57 GMT -1
I dont mind if people are religious, as long as they are not hypocrites and dont ram their beliefs down my throat, or are all PC about every bloody subject I don't know a single religious person who ram their beliefs down peoples throats. I do and the frickin Jehovas that knock on my door
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Post by Dr LuKas on Feb 7, 2008 9:34:32 GMT -1
Man I know a lot of Christians, I am one (I freely admit I'm not a good one, I sin often but hope for forgiveness) I still don't know ANYONE who is vigilant enough to try to convert unbelievers. Really if people say that to you (and you're talking 1 in a 100 at the most that would) then you should politely say 'no thanks'. I can totally understand why it’s annoying, I'd hate it too, but don't condemn all religion just because a tiny minority are over vigilant in trying to convert people. 99.9% of Christians keep them selves to themselves.
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Post by Dr LuKas on Feb 7, 2008 9:36:58 GMT -1
I don't know a single religious person who ram their beliefs down peoples throats. I do and the frickin Jehovas that knock on my door I may have had one or two Jehovas witnesses at my door in the past 15 or so years, they are annoying because they do try to convert people and pester people who with no interest in thier religion at all. But even the Jehovas Witnessess that keep themselves to themselves are fine with me.
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Feb 7, 2008 9:40:08 GMT -1
you may have read about the women who works for British Airways and her taking the company to court for not letting her wear a cross. she went upto anoither member of staff who she knew was gay and told them she was praying for them!!! I'd have flattened her also if she hears you say something like oh my god she tells you not to blaspheme fuck her
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Feb 7, 2008 9:42:34 GMT -1
I do and the frickin Jehovas that knock on my door I may have had one or two Jehovas witnesses at my door in the past 15 or so years, they are annoying because they do try to convert people and pester people who with no interest in thier religion at all. But even the Jehovas Witnessess that keep themselves to themselves are fine with me. they have a church pretty near me, and we are always getting them. I've a good mind to knock on their church door on a Sunday morning and ask where the local mosque is ;D
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Post by Dr LuKas on Feb 7, 2008 9:42:53 GMT -1
you may have read about the women who works for British Airways and her taking the company to court for not letting her wear a cross. she went upto anoither member of staff who she knew was gay and told them she was praying for them!!! I'd have flattened her also if she hears you say something like oh my god she tells you not to blaspheme fuck her What has that got to do with anything COYS?
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Feb 7, 2008 9:44:59 GMT -1
you may have read about the women who works for British Airways and her taking the company to court for not letting her wear a cross. she went upto anoither member of staff who she knew was gay and told them she was praying for them!!! I'd have flattened her also if she hears you say something like oh my god she tells you not to blaspheme fuck her What has that got to do with anything COYS? just highlighting someone who i know who preaches to people who dont want to know
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 7, 2008 9:49:10 GMT -1
Man I know a lot of Christians, I am one (I freely admit I'm not a good one, I sin often but hope for forgiveness) I still don't know ANYONE who is vigilant enough to try to convert unbelievers. Really if people say that to you (and you're talking 1 in a 100 at the most that would) then you should politely say 'no thanks'. I can totally understand why it’s annoying, I'd hate it too, but don't condemn all religion just because a tiny minority are over vigilant in trying to convert people. 99.9% of Christians keep them selves to themselves. I wouldn't have guessed, my Funky friend. However it makes me sad to hear you say you "sin often" - because I very firmly believe (and hope) you don't do anything which I consider "all that bad." In the absence of believing in a deity who acts as the ultimate moral arbiter, I don't like the idea of people feeling guilty for supposed "sins." I was polite, don't worry about that. I also recognise that there is a danger for me of trying to preach AGAINST religion - which is just as bad in a way, it's still a foisting of a belief I feel I should apologise - but I think a lot of us irreligious types get kinda angry not just at the foisting, but also for more complex reasons - either we think you're idiots (harsh I know) or are jealous of your (apparently blissful) ability to have faith beyond all "reason"
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Post by Dr LuKas on Feb 7, 2008 9:56:26 GMT -1
You don't know her she was in the news, that shows how rare this kind of thing is, and she didn't exactly say she hoped the gay guy burns in hell, ffs.
I hope you don't treat me any different just because I have slightly different beliefs than you because that would be totally UNfunky! You have different beliefs to me but I don't treat you any differently, I don't tell you your beliefs are wrong, I don't claim your beliefs are for the 'weak minded' and I don't try to pressure you to convert to the Christian faith.
Fuck!
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Feb 7, 2008 9:59:58 GMT -1
You don't know her she was in the news, that shows how rare this kind of thing is, and she didn't exactly say she hoped the gay guy burns in hell, ffs. err Lukas I work with her!!!!!!!!!!!!!! as good as said that
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 7, 2008 10:01:43 GMT -1
I hope you don't treat me any different just because I have slightly different beliefs than you because that would be totally UNfunky! You have different beliefs to me but I don't treat you any differently, I don't tell you your beliefs are wrong, I don't claim your beliefs are for the 'weak minded' and I don't try to pressure you to convert to the Christian faith. Fuck! Easy Lukey... it's all good man, you believe what you wish to, that's fine. What I was saying with my last post is I basically want good people to be happy, same as you... if I thought every time I lusted after a woman that it was a terrible sin, that would ruin my happiness... is all. Nobody said anything about "weak minded" btw. As regards the woman CYS is talking about, to me her saying "I'll pray for you" implies she thought this fella's soul was in need of salvation, and that his sexuality was wrong/sinful/whatever. I know many Christians don't think like that - but I also think that nobody should think like that, whatever it says in Leviticus, etc.
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Post by Dr LuKas on Feb 7, 2008 10:04:57 GMT -1
Man I know a lot of Christians, I am one (I freely admit I'm not a good one, I sin often but hope for forgiveness) I still don't know ANYONE who is vigilant enough to try to convert unbelievers. Really if people say that to you (and you're talking 1 in a 100 at the most that would) then you should politely say 'no thanks'. I can totally understand why it’s annoying, I'd hate it too, but don't condemn all religion just because a tiny minority are over vigilant in trying to convert people. 99.9% of Christians keep them selves to themselves. I wouldn't have guessed, my Funky friend. However it makes me sad to hear you say you "sin often" - because I very firmly believe (and hope) you don't do anything which I consider "all that bad." In the absence of believing in a deity who acts as the ultimate moral arbiter, I don't like the idea of people feeling guilty for supposed "sins." I don't follow all the 10 commandments which would make me a bad Christian, but essentially the 10 commandments are just guides to make you a better person. I can't name them off the top of my head but, don't steal, don't lie, don't commit adultery, love your brother, don't kill, basically if you keep to that you can be pretty good person. I try to do that as best I can, but I'm sure those who don't consider themselves heathens and are just generally good people keep to those basic principles anyway. I'd feel guilty if I cause pain to someone and I don't think there's any thing wrong with that.
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Post by thales on Feb 7, 2008 10:05:34 GMT -1
one once said to me "Heaven is a wonderful place Jules, and I really want to see you there with us!" was it a girl, cause you were so in there oh wait, religious, no chance until married then
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Post by thales on Feb 7, 2008 10:09:06 GMT -1
i hate/like all region equally, except hibernism, which is great p.s. think we should have another crusade, this time to save the redlight district of amsterdam
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Feb 7, 2008 10:10:08 GMT -1
i hate/like all region equally, except hibernism, which is great p.s. think we should have another crusade, this time to save the redlight district of amsterdam does it need saving? it was ok last time i went
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 7, 2008 10:13:37 GMT -1
I don't follow all the 10 commandments which would make me a bad Christian, but essentially the 10 commandments are just guides to make you a better person. I can't name them off the top of my head but, don't steal, don't lie, don't commit adultery, love your brother, don't kill, basically if you keep to that you can be pretty good person. I try to do that as best I can, but I'm sure those who don't consider themselves heathens and are just generally good people keep to those basic principles anyway. I'd feel guilty if I cause pain to someone and I don't think there's any thing wrong with that. Well I agree with everything you've said there dude but if anything I'm probably definable as a "Secular Humanist." Basically I'm also a moral (pretty moral) person and when I deviate from that path I feel bad about it. At the same time that is for me entirely a moral (distinct from religious) feeling of guilt. Where do I get morality from? Societal values that may have grown up through being a Christian country, but are not intrinsically tied to religion. For the sake of argument (though I know it's blasphemy, so sorry to those who care) the Ten Commandments could have been written by Moses, as good rules for society, rather than sent by God.
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Post by thales on Feb 7, 2008 10:13:41 GMT -1
i hate/like all region equally, except hibernism, which is great p.s. think we should have another crusade, this time to save the redlight district of amsterdam does it need saving? it was ok last time i went never been ya heathen seemingly, local council trying to move upmarket boutiques etc into the area, cutting number of 'shop' fronts in half or something...
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Post by Dr LuKas on Feb 7, 2008 10:14:11 GMT -1
What I was saying with my last post is I basically want good people to be happy, same as you... if I thought every time I lusted after a woman that it was a terrible sin, that would ruin my happiness... is all.
I don't feel bad when I lust after a woman, in my religion that I guess would be called a sin, a very minor one that would be easily forgiven for sure but I'm not a very good man, I do it all the time and don't feel at all guilty about it and I don't feel I've commited a terrible sin
Nobody said anything about "weak minded" btw.
It's been mentioned several times before on this board and it hurts and is incredible intolerable
I'm not that religious but it seems socially accpepable to call people bible bashers, that's not toooo funky. All I'm saying I just want equality across all races and creeds.
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Post by jh1980 on Feb 7, 2008 10:15:08 GMT -1
was it a girl, cause you were so in there oh wait, religious, no chance until married then Trust you to think like that Eoin! ;D Nah it was a mate of mine, I feel sorry for the dude as he later went a bit off the rails with drugs and stuff... Not seen him for a few years.
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Post by HURLOCK on Feb 7, 2008 10:15:28 GMT -1
I really hate the types who force their beliefs on me, tend to just play along with them and ask them difficult questions, as for the johavas they're brain washed to the extreme. I asked them about their orgies, and if it's true they're similar to a the Moons. They then understand that they're wasting their time.
Must say it does take balls to knock on peoples doors and do this, they must know they won't get a possitive reception! However they must get some sort of conversion ratio - otherwise they wouldn't do it!
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