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Post by jh1980 on Dec 12, 2007 10:32:06 GMT -1
People are more important than animals. It really fucks me off that more money goes donkey sanctuaries a year than some thrid world disaster appeal funds. I don't care if it looks cute. If I'm starving I would eat that kitten! I've had that argument with Neko before H If starving, yes. Otherwise, obviously not!
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Post by thales on Dec 12, 2007 10:32:29 GMT -1
majority of homeless people chose to live on the streets, they want to be lost. As they want to deal with their shagrain on their own. Or with individuals who won't judge. So in short why the pity not true, lots have alcohol or drug addiction, abusive homes etc, report out here yesterday, 55 homeless died in last year, now would say very few were by choice! www.rte.ie/news/2007/1211/homeless.html
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Post by jh1980 on Dec 12, 2007 10:33:34 GMT -1
majority of homeless people chose to live on the streets, they want to be lost. As they want to deal with their shagrain on their own. Or with individuals who won't judge. So in short why the pity Who told you that? Did you ever speak to one? Do you have any idea what it would be like to be in that position? Empathy, a good quality.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Dec 12, 2007 10:34:30 GMT -1
majority of homeless people chose to live on the streets, they want to be lost. As they want to deal with their shagrain on their own. Or with individuals who won't judge. So in short why the pity not true, lots have alcohol or drug addiction, abusive homes etc, report out here yesterday, 55 homeless died in last year, now would say very few were by choice! www.rte.ie/news/2007/1211/homeless.htmlI would argue that drug and alcohol addictions are your own fault, mind - no-one forces you to pick up that bottle/syringe... The abusive homes thing is another matter entirely, but then there are hostels and shelters to provide help in those situations.
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Post by HURLOCK on Dec 12, 2007 10:34:39 GMT -1
(While searching for that article, I also came across one about a murderer complaining prison was "too hard," which I found rather heart-warming! ) People are more important than animals. It really fucks me off that more money goes donkey sanctuaries a year than some thrid world disaster appeal funds. I don't care if it looks cute. If I'm starving I would eat that kitten![/quote] It's quite shocking that people prefer Animals to humans in this country, always been this way. Anyone remember Barabar Woodhouse? The Donkey sanctuary is the largest charity in the world in terms of income and assets.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Dec 12, 2007 10:36:04 GMT -1
People are more important than animals. It really fucks me off that more money goes donkey sanctuaries a year than some thrid world disaster appeal funds. I don't care if it looks cute. If I'm starving I would eat that kitten! I've had that argument with Neko before H If starving, yes. Otherwise, obviously not! Oh no, that was which I prefer. As importance goes, I'd say we're on pretty equal footing in the grand scheme of things, though obviously humans come out on top in the "short-term selfish" view.
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Post by jh1980 on Dec 12, 2007 10:36:08 GMT -1
Yet you didn't say anything about H's suggestion! HMMMM?!Bedford, actually - he's only being tried in Luton's court I'm just making the point that he's a prime candidate for a conversion to dog food! Well, the murder sure as hell weren't humane - guy weighs about 350lbs, and killed the victim by jumping on his chest! Also said in court that he had no regrets, so I'm afraid it's a bit late for crocodile tears! Jules? Serious?! Never! Meh, probably just wanted a reaction! Same sh*t! Would you turn a family member into dog food if they committed a crime? So why would you do it to a random? That's all pretty nasty, but still what was the nature of the complaint? I know, I can be a real bundle of laughs!
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Post by Dr LuKas on Dec 12, 2007 10:37:31 GMT -1
It doesn't matter how much money I give homeless people for cups of tea - I never get my cuppa Ah it's alright I don't like tea, I just need some money for the Leeds game on Saturday, spare some change sir?
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Post by jh1980 on Dec 12, 2007 10:38:19 GMT -1
I would argue that drug and alcohol addictions are your own fault, mind - no-one forces you to pick up that bottle/syringe... The abusive homes thing is another matter entirely, but then there are hostels and shelters to provide help in those situations. Typical. There's no point in having arguments. Oh yes, an abundance, and they're such lovely places to go as well!
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Post by Neko Bazu on Dec 12, 2007 10:38:22 GMT -1
It's quite shocking that people prefer Animals to humans in this country, always been this way. Anyone remember Barabar Woodhouse? I'm not so sure it's a matter of preference - I think the greater donations to animal charities are a mix of pity, a sense that they can't look after themselves while humans can (I know that's not always true, but talking Joe Public here), and the 'cute' factor. Also, it's almost always humans that're responsible for the crap conditions animals find themselves in. A 'guilty by association' guilt complex may also be involved.
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Post by HURLOCK on Dec 12, 2007 10:38:35 GMT -1
Who told you that? Did you ever speak to one? Do you have any idea what it would be like to be in that position? Empathy, a good quality. Jules I have taken time to speak to some of them, even bought one a pint. They chose that avenue mate, they're are paths available to them should they want to return into the bossom society. I do have empathy for them, however with the exception of the mentally disturbed ones they want to be left alone.
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Post by Neko Bazu on Dec 12, 2007 10:40:01 GMT -1
Yet you didn't say anything about H's suggestion! HMMMM?!Bedford, actually - he's only being tried in Luton's court I'm just making the point that he's a prime candidate for a conversion to dog food! Well, the murder sure as hell weren't humane - guy weighs about 350lbs, and killed the victim by jumping on his chest! Also said in court that he had no regrets, so I'm afraid it's a bit late for crocodile tears! Jules? Serious?! Never! Meh, probably just wanted a reaction! Same sh*t! Would you turn a family member into dog food if they committed a crime? So why would you do it to a random? That's all pretty nasty, but still what was the nature of the complaint? I know, I can be a real bundle of laughs! Someone needs to learn to spot when I'm wumming As for the prison thing; he was complaining that life was difficult in there, he can't see his friends, can't go outside, he can't take it... well duh!
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Post by thales on Dec 12, 2007 10:40:32 GMT -1
not true, lots have alcohol or drug addiction, abusive homes etc, report out here yesterday, 55 homeless died in last year, now would say very few were by choice! www.rte.ie/news/2007/1211/homeless.htmlI would argue that drug and alcohol addictions are your own fault, mind - no-one forces you to pick up that bottle/syringe... The abusive homes thing is another matter entirely, but then there are hostels and shelters to provide help in those situations. presume, uk like ireland, in that not enough resources available to tackle problem, definitely not enough shelters etc came out a few years back, that a lot of the homeless here had been in care when younger and been abused, so ran away or took to drink etc... admitatly there are always going to be those that fall through the cracks in society, but a lot more can be done and should be done!
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Post by HURLOCK on Dec 12, 2007 10:41:12 GMT -1
Also, it's almost always humans that're responsible for the crap conditions animals find themselves in. A 'guilty by association' guilt complex may also be involved. So save a drug addicks life with a donation or that of a cute animal. What would be your choice?
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Post by Neko Bazu on Dec 12, 2007 10:42:06 GMT -1
I would argue that drug and alcohol addictions are your own fault, mind - no-one forces you to pick up that bottle/syringe... The abusive homes thing is another matter entirely, but then there are hostels and shelters to provide help in those situations. Typical. There's no point in having arguments. Oh yes, an abundance, and they're such lovely places to go as well! Typical how? If there's anyone to blame other than the addictee for and addiction, I'd love to know how and why Better than being in an abusive home or homeless though, surely? And certainly from what I know of, there's four or five within a bus journey of Luton - can't vouch for the rest of the country, but I'm basing my judgement on my experience, which is hardly unreasonable.
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Post by Mrs H on Dec 12, 2007 10:42:10 GMT -1
I've had that argument with Neko before H If starving, yes. Otherwise, obviously not! Oh no, that was which I prefer. As importance goes, I'd say we're on pretty equal footing in the grand scheme of things, though obviously humans come out on top in the "short-term selfish" view. So you think that donkeys should live in the lap of luxury when children are starving and dying?
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Post by Neko Bazu on Dec 12, 2007 10:43:25 GMT -1
Also, it's almost always humans that're responsible for the crap conditions animals find themselves in. A 'guilty by association' guilt complex may also be involved. So save a drug addicks life with a donation or that of a cute animal. What would be your choice? As it happens, I donate and have volunteered for charities that help animals and humans. We are allowed to not choose sides, right?
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Post by Neko Bazu on Dec 12, 2007 10:44:33 GMT -1
Oh no, that was which I prefer. As importance goes, I'd say we're on pretty equal footing in the grand scheme of things, though obviously humans come out on top in the "short-term selfish" view. So you think that donkeys should live in the lap of luxury when children are starving and dying? *opens mouth* *words inserted*
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Post by HURLOCK on Dec 12, 2007 10:47:27 GMT -1
So save a drug addicks life with a donation or that of a cute animal. What would be your choice? As it happens, I donate and have volunteered for charities that help animals and humans. We are allowed to not choose sides, right? I simply wanted to ascertain, what you consider to be more precious
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Post by jh1980 on Dec 12, 2007 10:48:36 GMT -1
Jules I have taken time to speak to some of them, even bought one a pint. They chose that avenue mate, they're are paths available to them should they want to return into the bossom society. I do have empathy for them, however with the exception of the mentally disturbed ones they want to be left alone. Surprising, I'm aware that isn't always the case. And it isn't easy to get back into "the bosom of society" once you're down there, whatever "paths" may be technically available. Good! Hmmm I'm not sure about that.
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