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Post by PureOldGold on Mar 14, 2009 19:01:55 GMT -1
you didn't read the sign  You're giving me signs   |
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Mar 14, 2009 19:03:03 GMT -1
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Post by PureOldGold on Mar 14, 2009 19:06:54 GMT -1
you didn't read the sign  You're giving me signs |
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Post by ovechkin8 on Mar 15, 2009 9:39:10 GMT -1
So what if they were tortured ? The Northern Alliance have been doing that routinely over the last decade with their fight with the Taliban.
No one kicked up a fuss.
And when German spies in WW2 were caught no one did either or their summary executions. We are at war albeit not the traditional sense.
Hence the idea of releasing POWs as such is a mistake.
Mohammed Miszouz after release caught recruiting more fighters for al-Qaeda.
Ibrahim Bin Sakaran convicted in Morocco of trying to create more al Qaeda cells in Morocco.
Not to mention the likes of Mullah Sakir and Abdullah Rasoul released in 2008 and back in the senior chain of command of the Taliban. And sixty other former detainees.
If the US had had any sense they would have disposed of them in Afghanistan instead of taking them to Guantanamo where they have become a cause celebre for the right on do gooders .
People like Candace Gorman who fail to see the irony that under the system these people believe in she and women in general would be just a domestic chattel without the chance of even obtaining an education and homosexuals for instance would be murdered.
It does make me squirm how some of these extreme leftists can feel comfortable with themselves &how they fail to realise they are being used by al Qaeda for their own propaganda purposes (which is in their manual) and how they see the West as weak.
As for Muslims in this country nearly all are law abiding but what is worrying there is a significant degree of sympathy to the likes of al Qaeda based on some alleged affront to Islam particularly amongst young Muslim males fuelled by apparent discrimination.
What blows that apart is the huge sucess of the Indian community in business and the professions ie medicine and dentistry and the law.
When at Kings over half the medicine ,pharmacy and dentistry intake were either Sikhs of Hindus. They never seem to kick up a fuss over British foreign policy.
People who fled Uganda and Idi Amins brutal regime with nothing more than a suitcase of clothes are now some of the most sucessful business people in the country.
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Post by Pete the Wolf on Mar 15, 2009 9:47:10 GMT -1
By all means lock prisoners up, but at least have the decency to give them a charge and a fair trial. Instead, they've been locked away on American ground, but on Cuban soil, causing the previous Bush government to claim that they didn't have any laws applying to them. And these people aren't actualy POW. They weren't granted that status as it would have meant they were meant to be treated according to the Geneva Convention.
If people are found guilty of terrorism, then by all means lock them up and throw away the key, but I can never agree with torturing someone, regardless of what they are being accused of. And that opinioin on torture stands for the two other cases you gave as well, Ovechkin.
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Post by Pete the Wolf on Mar 15, 2009 9:55:45 GMT -1
Okay, I should also refer to the orignal point of this thread and point out that whilst I did not agree with going to war, I have nothing but respect for the soldiers out there and contempt for anyone who abuses them. I'd agree with people protesting against the war, but the army deserve sympathy and respect.
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Post by Teesside White on Mar 15, 2009 11:36:18 GMT -1
People who fled Uganda and Idi Amins brutal regime with nothing more than a suitcase of clothes are now some of the most sucessful business people in the country. i used to live next door to a family of ugandan exiles when i was in my early years, now the family live in Leicester and the father is a solicitor and the mother is a teacher |
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Post by PureOldGold on Mar 15, 2009 20:50:51 GMT -1
So what if they were tortured ? The Northern Alliance have been doing that routinely over the last decade with their fight with the Taliban. No one kicked up a fuss. And when German spies in WW2 were caught no one did either or their summary executions. We are at war albeit not the traditional sense. Hence the idea of releasing POWs as such is a mistake. Mohammed Miszouz after release caught recruiting more fighters for al-Qaeda. Ibrahim Bin Sakaran convicted in Morocco of trying to create more al Qaeda cells in Morocco. Not to mention the likes of Mullah Sakir and Abdullah Rasoul released in 2008 and back in the senior chain of command of the Taliban. And sixty other former detainees. If the US had had any sense they would have disposed of them in Afghanistan instead of taking them to Guantanamo where they have become a cause celebre for the right on do gooders . People like Candace Gorman who fail to see the irony that under the system these people believe in she and women in general would be just a domestic chattel without the chance of even obtaining an education and homosexuals for instance would be murdered. It does make me squirm how some of these extreme leftists can feel comfortable with themselves &how they fail to realise they are being used by al Qaeda for their own propaganda purposes (which is in their manual) and how they see the West as weak. As for Muslims in this country nearly all are law abiding but what is worrying there is a significant degree of sympathy to the likes of al Qaeda based on some alleged affront to Islam particularly amongst young Muslim males fuelled by apparent discrimination. When at Kings over half the medicine ,pharmacy and dentistry intake were either Sikhs of Hindus. They never seem to kick up a fuss over British foreign policy. People who fled Uganda and Idi Amins brutal regime with nothing more than a suitcase of clothes are now some of the most sucessful business people in the country. So what if they were tortured ? - Thats again basic human rights. Remind me the reasons we invaded Iraq? And no i don't mean due the weapons of mass destruction  . We were going to liberate the people of Iraq even though we supplied Saddam Hussain weapons ten years back. You can't invade a country saying you want to free the people from an evil dictator and than set up Gutanemo bay on the side and ignore all human rights. " When at Kings over half the medicine ,pharmacy and dentistry intake were either Sikhs of Hindus. They never seem to kick up a fuss over British foreign policy.''Invading two Muslim countries and not intervening when Israel massacred the Gaza strip could be a possible reason for sympathy towards AL Qaeda, i don't condone this in anyway, but thats the reason for it. Considering the state of Israel was created by Britain and ordered by Jewish officials like Lord Rothschild. You might find not intervening during the recent attacks another reason for a 'fuss' over British foreign policy like you put it. 'What blows that apart is the huge sucess of the Indian community in business and the professions ie medicine and dentistry and the law.' You might find Muslims do excel in these areas as well. You seem to have an issue with George Galloway who openly speaks up against the US and Israel and backs his statements with facts. Anything else you would like to get off your chest? |
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Post by C@V on Mar 17, 2009 13:32:45 GMT -1
Why can't we just all do it the Jewish way and live in harmony. Islam and Christianity are just off shoots of Judaism anyway! In essence they're all Jewish, they've just lost their way and need guidance. When the 3rd Great Temple of Jerusalem is built (to replace the ruins of the 2nd Great Temple that the Romans so rudely destroyed) the world will understand the true power of Judaism MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  |
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Mar 17, 2009 15:28:54 GMT -1
why don't we just all do it the Assyrian way, after all the Jewish idea of monotheism comes from the Assyrian-Babylonian idea of the constant struggle between Good and Evil, hence God and the devil.....
.... Personally i don't think Britain's foreign policy should extend any further than West Europe and the occasional helping hand to former colonies.
In terms of the protest/abuse, i think this is far more symptomatic of the failing social system of the country and the break down of community, allowing the proliferation of such groups who feel no affinity with the country they live.....
... something which it has to be said is almost the norm amongst young people today.
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Mar 17, 2009 20:34:17 GMT -1
why dont you all just realise there is no god and all religions are mumbo jumbo claptrap bollox hope i havent offended anyone  |
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Mar 17, 2009 20:42:46 GMT -1
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Post by HURLOCK on Mar 17, 2009 20:56:49 GMT -1
I see girls here there and everywhere, now they can get down on their knees to me I can tell ya ;D
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. We were going to liberate the people of Iraq even though we supplied Saddam Hussain weapons ten years back. You can't invade a country saying you want to free the people from an evil dictator and than set up Gutanemo bay on the side and ignore all human rights. 
