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Post by Travis on Oct 5, 2007 12:17:55 GMT -1
Lol Spozzler you really are going to have to accept that A2V just likes to be curmudgeonly!  So Travis am I to be on my best behaviour??? Now you know I wouldn't want you to disappoint!!  |
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 5, 2007 17:26:52 GMT -1
Well well well, A2V, SMurf too.. perhaps you'd like to take a seat, that chip on your shoulder must be getting mighty heavy. Perhaps you'd like to accept the fact that both winners were well thought of, well liked and thought of as being able to do a good job, regardless of team allegiances. This obviously, was inevitable and we are happy to post the list of who voted for who, but we haven't done as yet as we're conscious of the fact that some people may not want their votes made public - and if they don't, let myself, or another staff member know. The list may well be published in due course if there are no objections. I disagree and object!  Voting is a personal decision and not everyone will be comfortable with telling people who they vote for (in any type of election). Not everyone will read that post and nor should they have to make efforts to object. Part of making a vote free and fair is that who you vote for isn't broadcast to everyone else. It might stop people voting, if they know its going to happen and influence who they vote for. Granted they didn't know their vote might be made public when it was cast but it isn't fair and may affect their decision to vote in the future. Look at Chopper's manifesto! If you want to make your votes public, its a personal decision and I have, not something to be forced upon you. It has no benefit to anyone and shouldn't be used just to make a point about team allegiances. Of course it had an impact, if Jules, Neko or I had the backing of a dozen plus fans of their own team then the result may or may not have been different. I think POG and Travis were elected on the basis that they will be good mods, and I genuinely think they will. But the election is over now, people should just let it go and enjoy the board now, and let the new mods get on with their job in my opinion. Sorry to sound ranty spozzy.  I just think its unjust and unecessary to broadcast people's votes in a simple point. |
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Oct 5, 2007 17:29:48 GMT -1
If people want to disclose who they voted for then they can do it in here - Spozz was just trying to explain that if need be we COULD post up everyones votes to show it wasnt as cut and dried (leeds voting for leeds) as is being accused. You make valid points about privacy which we do respect GEO. |
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Post by Travis on Oct 5, 2007 17:35:15 GMT -1
I think the main concern of the mods would be over being transparent, understandably so, after all the shit that's thrown at them during the election process.
That said, I do agree that the votes should remain private, unless individual posters feel happy to reveal their choices. Beyond maybe allowing the candidates the chance to thank people, I don't think there is any compelling argument to make public any of the details. Even in this case, some voters may not be happy, it could be that they don't want certain candidates to find out that they hadn't voted for them.
If any individual poster still has reservations over the process, then really, the problem lies with them.
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 5, 2007 18:07:16 GMT -1
Thank you for your response important admin and moderation people. Transparency is a big word and should be the case, but to be honest, I think that the vast majority of people believe the voting process and counting was fair and just. How you can achieve transparency I'm not too sure. Mods should have accountability too, though this is again difficult to achieve without fixed term mod positions, which I'm not sure I agree with. Thanks gres. I agree with you adam, there is no argument for it so people should just accept the result and get on with it. |
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Post by Fizzy Bread on Oct 6, 2007 8:55:00 GMT -1
Well well well, A2V, SMurf too.. perhaps you'd like to take a seat, that chip on your shoulder must be getting mighty heavy. Perhaps you'd like to accept the fact that both winners were well thought of, well liked and thought of as being able to do a good job, regardless of team allegiances. This obviously, was inevitable and we are happy to post the list of who voted for who, but we haven't done as yet as we're conscious of the fact that some people may not want their votes made public - and if they don't, let myself, or another staff member know. The list may well be published in due course if there are no objections. I disagree and object! Voting is a personal decision and not everyone will be comfortable with telling people who they vote for (in any type of election). Not everyone will read that post and nor should they have to make efforts to object. Part of making a vote free and fair is that who you vote for isn't broadcast to everyone else. It might stop people voting, if they know its going to happen and influence who they vote for. Granted they didn't know their vote might be made public when it was cast but it isn't fair and may affect their decision to vote in the future. Look at Chopper's manifesto! If you want to make your votes public, its a personal decision and I have, not something to be forced upon you. It has no benefit to anyone and shouldn't be used just to make a point about team allegiances. Of course it had an impact, if Jules, Neko or I had the backing of a dozen plus fans of their own team then the result may or may not have been different. I think POG and Travis were elected on the basis that they will be good mods, and I genuinely think they will. But the election is over now, people should just let it go and enjoy the board now, and let the new mods get on with their job in my opinion. Sorry to sound ranty spozzy. I just think its unjust and unecessary to broadcast people's votes in a simple point. I apologise as my post wasn't leaning towards that. What I was trying to say was, as some, whether in jest or not had objected to the result of the 'election', if voters didn't object, we'd be happy to post the votes to prove that we didn't rig or tamper with the votes. I actually objected to the votes being posted, as you said, I also think it's a personal decision that should remain private but I was in no way trying to imply I would post the votes as a matter of proving a point. |
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Post by weallloveleeds on Oct 6, 2007 9:02:38 GMT -1
Can you unpin all the voting related threads... It makes the boards look messy |
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Post by Coxy™ on Oct 6, 2007 9:13:18 GMT -1
tell you what iam getting pissed off with all this mod stuff now, its all done and dusted so lets get over this or i can see us losing members.
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Post by Pete the Wolf on Oct 6, 2007 14:24:13 GMT -1
Congrats to both of you. Exalts on the way.  |
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Post by GresleyRam©®™ on Oct 6, 2007 14:25:22 GMT -1
tell you what iam getting pissed off with all this mod stuff now, its all done and dusted so lets get over this or i can see us losing members. dont read it then??  |
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Post by GeoFox on Oct 6, 2007 14:40:40 GMT -1
I disagree and object! Voting is a personal decision and not everyone will be comfortable with telling people who they vote for (in any type of election). Not everyone will read that post and nor should they have to make efforts to object. Part of making a vote free and fair is that who you vote for isn't broadcast to everyone else. It might stop people voting, if they know its going to happen and influence who they vote for. Granted they didn't know their vote might be made public when it was cast but it isn't fair and may affect their decision to vote in the future. Look at Chopper's manifesto! If you want to make your votes public, its a personal decision and I have, not something to be forced upon you. It has no benefit to anyone and shouldn't be used just to make a point about team allegiances. Of course it had an impact, if Jules, Neko or I had the backing of a dozen plus fans of their own team then the result may or may not have been different. I think POG and Travis were elected on the basis that they will be good mods, and I genuinely think they will. But the election is over now, people should just let it go and enjoy the board now, and let the new mods get on with their job in my opinion. Sorry to sound ranty spozzy. I just think its unjust and unecessary to broadcast people's votes in a simple point. I apologise as my post wasn't leaning towards that. What I was trying to say was, as some, whether in jest or not had objected to the result of the 'election', if voters didn't object, we'd be happy to post the votes to prove that we didn't rig or tamper with the votes. I actually objected to the votes being posted, as you said, I also think it's a personal decision that should remain private but I was in no way trying to imply I would post the votes as a matter of proving a point. No need to apologise Jen. Thanks for clearing it up. |
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Post by Coxy™ on Oct 6, 2007 14:44:39 GMT -1
tell you what iam getting pissed off with all this mod stuff now, its all done and dusted so lets get over this or i can see us losing members. dont read it then?? well all this fixing shit cant be on with it |
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Post by ArgyleChick on Oct 6, 2007 14:46:07 GMT -1
tell you what iam getting pissed off with all this mod stuff now, its all done and dusted so lets get over this or i can see us losing members. I know what you mean Coxy.... everytime there's a mod vote!! I haven't read the previous 8 pages or whatever it is, but I can imagine what has been said! Just leave them to it and concentrate on the Derby boards if I was you! |
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Oct 6, 2007 15:19:09 GMT -1
Well well well, A2V, SMurf too.. perhaps you'd like to take a seat, that chip on your shoulder must be getting mighty heavy. Perhaps you'd like to accept the fact that both winners were well thought of, well liked and thought of as being able to do a good job, regardless of team allegiances. This obviously, was inevitable and we are happy to post the list of who voted for who, but we haven't done as yet as we're conscious of the fact that some people may not want their votes made public - and if they don't, let myself, or another staff member know. The list may well be published in due course if there are no objections. I disagree and object! Granted they didn't know their vote might be made public when it was cast but it isn't fair and may affect their decision to vote in the future. Look at Chopper's manifesto! All this shite has affected my decision to stand again in the future as i won't be. As for whether i remain a poster,only time will tell. Several times i thought about withdrawing from the race but that would be what certain people wanted. |
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Post by CarrowGirl on Oct 6, 2007 15:20:55 GMT -1
I'm sure you'd be missed Chops
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Oct 6, 2007 15:21:49 GMT -1
I aint so sure. Might go out with a bang CG.  |
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Post by CmonYouSpurs on Oct 6, 2007 15:23:08 GMT -1
I'm sure you'd be missed Chops yes he would stay put m8 |
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Post by CarrowGirl on Oct 6, 2007 15:23:30 GMT -1
Well your choice i suppose
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Post by CHOPPER READ on Oct 6, 2007 15:24:07 GMT -1
Alright then i suppose. |
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I just think its unjust and unecessary to broadcast people's votes in a simple point.
