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Post by C@V on Dec 8, 2008 12:12:03 GMT -1
..... i forgot armstrong - we shouldn't have sold him either. at least not until we actually had a left winger! I agree with that. We had Armstrong who was a massively mobile left back/winger, and we let him be eased out of our team by Naysmith who is a one paced, one dimensional full back!! He's been a very good dependable player.............ta very much! ;D
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Post by HGO on Dec 8, 2008 12:12:27 GMT -1
You will recognise him as hes the one on his way out of Bramall Lane in January ;D Who's your one good player that Stuart Pearce keeps talking about?
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Post by addicted2venos on Dec 8, 2008 13:23:56 GMT -1
I agree with that. We had Armstrong who was a massively mobile left back/winger, and we let him be eased out of our team by Naysmith who is a one paced, one dimensional full back!! He's been a very good dependable player.............ta very much! ;D One good turn deserves another ....... so how about sending us Leroy Lita??
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Post by addicted2venos on Dec 8, 2008 13:25:07 GMT -1
Who's your one good player that Stuart Pearce keeps talking about? Kyle Naughton .......... he is a very good player. Sadly I think he's so good HGO might be right about him leaving!!
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Post by HGO on Dec 8, 2008 13:29:30 GMT -1
you would only play him at left back whats the point ;D He's been a very good dependable player.............ta very much! ;D One good turn deserves another ....... so how about sending us Leroy Lita??
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Post by addicted2venos on Dec 8, 2008 13:39:44 GMT -1
...... and a fine left back he might make!! Concentrate on your own teams failings .......... goddamit!!
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Post by HGO on Dec 8, 2008 13:50:12 GMT -1
No. It makes my head hurt ...... and a fine left back he might make!! Concentrate on your own teams failings .......... goddamit!!
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Dec 8, 2008 14:17:09 GMT -1
Who's your one good player that Stuart Pearce keeps talking about? sadly naughton can't play at left back, right back, left wing and right wing....... .... he's carrying too much responsiblity at the minute. thus i suspect his performances may dip.
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Post by Mrs H on Dec 8, 2008 14:20:38 GMT -1
He's been a very good dependable player.............ta very much! ;D One good turn deserves another ....... so how about sending us Leroy Lita?? My, he spends a lot of time offside and whinging. ;D
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Dec 8, 2008 14:21:32 GMT -1
we need stead and hulse back
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Post by addicted2venos on Dec 8, 2008 14:25:37 GMT -1
we need stead and hulse back Why?? What we need is one genuinely pacey winger and one genuinely pacey striker and we're sorted!!
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Dec 8, 2008 14:27:01 GMT -1
we need stead and hulse back Why?? What we need is one genuinely pacey winger and one genuinely pacey striker and we're sorted!! cos i don't like beattie we have pacey wingers BUT WE NEVER START THEM!!!
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Post by addicted2venos on Dec 8, 2008 14:27:28 GMT -1
My, he spends a lot of time offside and whinging. ;D ........ but he's scoring fairly regularly in an average Norwich side, and damn we're an average side as well so he can come and score fairly regularly for us!!
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Post by El Morto La Hoja! on Dec 8, 2008 14:29:43 GMT -1
My, he spends a lot of time offside and whinging. ;D ........ but he's scoring fairly regularly in an average Norwich side, and damn we're an average side as well so he can come and score fairly regularly for us!! average side..... who have spent the most in the league, who no doubt have the biggest wage bill in this league, have the player on the largest salary in this league..... *see first post*
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Post by addicted2venos on Dec 8, 2008 15:29:54 GMT -1
average side..... who have spent the most in the league, who no doubt have the biggest wage bill in this league, have the player on the largest salary in this league..... *see first post* I think it's very easy to just lay the blame at Blackwell door. However even after Robson, Warnocks fingerprints were all over the side. Robson found impossible to change the style of play of a side that under Warnock played most of its best football while not in possession of the ball, and once it had possession you always knew it wouldn't last!! Under Blackwell though we do keep the ball quite well and although the final pass doesn't appear to be quite there yet, we do play nice football. Which to be fair is a massive change in our footballing ethos, and Blackwell deserves credit for it. If we get a striker will pace who can work the defensive line, then this should help us as at the moment we're too static and predictable up front. We can't move defenses around so we struggle to create space in which to play into, so we can't play that 'killer ball'. I can't criticise Blackwell over most of the players he offloaded, I'd probably even say he wasn't radical or quick enough in shipping some players out!!
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Post by Mrs H on Dec 8, 2008 15:43:42 GMT -1
*Shudders at thought of Warnocks grubby fingerprints*
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Post by ancientblade on Dec 8, 2008 18:20:39 GMT -1
infairness monty has barely played this season so stating an opinion on how he's played is redundant. however in general most united fans look at monty and go "he gives away the ball he's crap". a minority (me) say "he gave away the ball because he had no right to win it in the first place, none of our other midfielders would have even got the ball at this point, and maybe if he was supported better, he wouldn't have lost the ball....." sharp is tricky - he's doing the right things but not scoring. and he feels the pressure more than most because he's a blade. Monty has barely played, but I think a Warnock ran out of patience with him and so did Robson. If Blackwell hasn't figured out the lad couldn't even pass 'the dutchie', he will before very long as it's blatantly obvious. I think we should be looking to continue purging Warnock type players from the squad (all effort and no quality) and Monty would be top of that list. Sharp works hard running the channels ....... but this is only due to fact that he knows he's not going to get any joy playing through the middle. He's just not quick enough to play right upfront. To play the 'small striker' role you need to carry the threat that you can sprint in behind a defense, and he doesn't. I we were to play him on regular basis in the team, he might actually be better playing in just behind a front two. I'd be looking to try and do a deal for Leroy Lita or someone of that ilk. Armstrong and Stead were Warnock players. they have gone and our squad is weaker as a result. Tonge has also gone and we have Howard instead. I am struggling to see how he has improved the midfield. He is no better in open play and his dead ball deliveries are miles poorer. On saturday, one of the main plus points of Cotterill coming on was that he started taking some of the corners instead of Howard. Also, it was Warnock who decided Sharp wasn't good enough and moved him on. Sad though it is, I feel he was probably right. I cannot fault Sharp's effort, but he simply does not score. And it's not just down to poor service. He also misses chances and is always getting caught offside, albeit he was unlucky on saturday, having a perfectly good goal ruled out as being offside when it wasn't. I would like to see Webber played as an out and out striker (instead of being brought on and stuck on the left wing) and given as prolonged a run in the side as Sharp. We might then see him regain his 2005-6 form. The goal he assisted against Barnsley was a superb demonstration of footballing skill. I do not know of any other player in our squad (except maybe Naughton) who could turn like that. What you say about Sharp's lack of pacve is true. And unfortunately no amount of effort or training can make him any faster. I can remember two occasions on saturday when good passes were played behind Burnley's defence for him to run onto, but he was just not quick enough.
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Post by ancientblade on Dec 8, 2008 18:53:11 GMT -1
average side..... who have spent the most in the league, who no doubt have the biggest wage bill in this league, have the player on the largest salary in this league..... *see first post* I think it's very easy to just lay the blame at Blackwell door. However even after Robson, Warnocks fingerprints were all over the side. Robson found impossible to change the style of play of a side that under Warnock played most of its best football while not in possession of the ball, and once it had possession you always knew it wouldn't last!! Under Blackwell though we do keep the ball quite well and although the final pass doesn't appear to be quite there yet, we do play nice football. Which to be fair is a massive change in our footballing ethos, and Blackwell deserves credit for it. If we get a striker will pace who can work the defensive line, then this should help us as at the moment we're too static and predictable up front. We can't move defenses around so we struggle to create space in which to play into, so we can't play that 'killer ball'. I can't criticise Blackwell over most of the players he offloaded, I'd probably even say he wasn't radical or quick enough in shipping some players out!! I actually think we played some pretty good stuff under Warnock. Obviously, not all the time, but in 2002-3 I think we played better football than at any time since the early to mid 1970s. We were also pretty good for the first half of 2003-4, during our promotion season and for many home games in the premier league. Taken as a whole, I think what we saw under Warnock was far more entertaining than the last season and a half. We played with pace and power, but more importantly we looked like a team and a motivated one at that. At the moment we look quite disjointed and somewhat lacking in any self belief. If Warnock was in charge of this team we would not have lost to four out of the five sides currently above us in the league.
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Post by ancientblade on Dec 8, 2008 18:58:32 GMT -1
........ but he's scoring fairly regularly in an average Norwich side, and damn we're an average side as well so he can come and score fairly regularly for us!! average side..... who have spent the most in the league, who no doubt have the biggest wage bill in this league, have the player on the largest salary in this league..... *see first post* If I have understood correctly my latest copy of the club accounts our wage bill is around £20 million. I would guess that Birmingham's is close to that if not higher. But I doubt that anyone else's is. Just goes to show that money doesn't necessarily get you success and that perhaps some expensive players aren't as good as they are thought to be.
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Post by addicted2venos on Dec 9, 2008 8:39:21 GMT -1
Armstrong and Stead were Warnock players. they have gone and our squad is weaker as a result. Tonge has also gone and we have Howard instead. I am struggling to see how he has improved the midfield. He is no better in open play and his dead ball deliveries are miles poorer. On saturday, one of the main plus points of Cotterill coming on was that he started taking some of the corners instead of Howard. Also, it was Warnock who decided Sharp wasn't good enough and moved him on. Sad though it is, I feel he was probably right. I cannot fault Sharp's effort, but he simply does not score. And it's not just down to poor service. He also misses chances and is always getting caught offside, albeit he was unlucky on saturday, having a perfectly good goal ruled out as being offside when it wasn't. I would like to see Webber played as an out and out striker (instead of being brought on and stuck on the left wing) and given as prolonged a run in the side as Sharp. We might then see him regain his 2005-6 form. The goal he assisted against Barnsley was a superb demonstration of footballing skill. I do not know of any other player in our squad (except maybe Naughton) who could turn like that. What you say about Sharp's lack of pacve is true. And unfortunately no amount of effort or training can make him any faster. I can remember two occasions on saturday when good passes were played behind Burnley's defence for him to run onto, but he was just not quick enough. I've already bemoaned the loss of Armstrong. Stead is a different kettle of fish though, as one decent game was usually followed by 4 poor ones. As Ipswich have now found out, and changed his role from a starting one to one as perennial sub. Dead ball delivery may be the same but Howard is more positive and forward thinking. He is always looking to get or play forward, but as I said before our forward movement isn't great which mean there's usually very little space to play into. Again do you see Tonge's name appearing much in the Stoke starting line up?? Warnock was right about Sharp, and we're all sorry that he was. As we all would've like to have seen 'one of us' do well for the team. You need to be a yard quicker either mentally or physically than Sharp is if you a striker of his size. Webber never goes past a player, never runs in behind defenses, is injury prone, is easy to dispossess and has a game based around shifting the ball from side to side in order to make an angle for a shot. I'm amazed that having sold player like Kabba and Nade for been injury prone one trick ponies, that Webber is still here. He must have some saucy pics of Kevin McCabe stashed somewhere, or just be the luckiest man alive. We desperately need a pacey striker. Away sides in this league generally play with two solid banks of 4 in an attempt to deny space. If your strikers don't move much or not very quickly (like ours), then any reasonably well organised side should be able to cope. Which is why we've struggled to score from open play. Away from home a pacey striker can chase down the 'out' ball, and also keep defenses honest by providing the threat of running in behind. I don't honestly think we're too far short of where need to be. We need a bit more pace and at times to be a bit more adventurous in our mentality.
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