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Post by ivorgreen with limited hair on Jan 15, 2008 22:39:28 GMT -1
I'm glad you think it's a free country, as a resting politician, why have we no constitution? why do friendly groups i.e. freemasons have so much influence, in a free society? why are so many major decisions made by quangos? why were so many other democracys founded by people fleeing ours?.
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Post by GeoFox on Jan 15, 2008 23:00:18 GMT -1
Britain hasn't ever had a constitution, I don't necessarily feel there is a need for one now, its just a set of words at the end of the day. As the country hasn't grown with one, I don't think it would mean too much to people if there were one now..
Ultimately, I think you can have an influence on things that affect you and I by voting, locally and nationally. 'Quangos' are the ones who carry out those instructions and there may be an argument like you say that they have too much influence on decision making, but I don't think Britain is a bad example of a liberal democracy. Elected members of the EU however, don't have much influence on its direction, bureaucrats control it. I don't think its the same with the British parliament.
I'm not sure on that latter point, but I think that Britain pushes and promotes democratisation around the world (for example making aid conditional on it), maybe too much at the expense of basic living needs; and whilst no political system is perfect, Britain is an advocate of a free country and free speech etc.
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Post by ivorgreen with limited hair on Jan 15, 2008 23:09:07 GMT -1
A true believer of propoganda. I do however agree with your conclusion, there are far worse examples of government. I would like to say there is no real bad feelings between most greens and foxes I don't even feel bad about Olly it was the timing of his book that caused the emotion.
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Post by GeoFox on Jan 15, 2008 23:20:49 GMT -1
Don't get me wrong, Britain isn't the best example of a functioning democracy, but on the whole its not bad. Its a battle of ideas, and if you don't like what is happening you get your chance to say at a vote. But whilst politics affects everyone, the fact that about half the adult population are completely apathetic and just live their lives as they do, not caring who is in power, it sort of shows the basic political system works, people are not repressed and they can live their lives.
Yeah I've no problem with any Argyle fans...theres no history between the clubs. You lot don't like our manager, which will make the game in a couple of weeks quite tasty. Whether he is right or wrong to say what he did, fundamentally I think he did a good job down your place. It'll all be good banter I'm sure.
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Post by ivorgreen with limited hair on Jan 15, 2008 23:23:04 GMT -1
I'm sure it will.
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Post by jazzy on Jan 16, 2008 9:55:05 GMT -1
Britain hasn't ever had a constitution, I don't necessarily feel there is a need for one now, its just a set of words at the end of the day. As the country hasn't grown with one, I don't think it would mean too much to people if there were one now.. Ultimately, I think you can have an influence on things that affect you and I by voting, locally and nationally. 'Quangos' are the ones who carry out those instructions and there may be an argument like you say that they have too much influence on decision making, but I don't think Britain is a bad example of a liberal democracy. Elected members of the EU however, don't have much influence on its direction, bureaucrats control it. I don't think its the same with the British parliament. I'm not sure on that latter point, but I think that Britain pushes and promotes democratisation around the world (for example making aid conditional on it), maybe too much at the expense of basic living needs; and whilst no political system is perfect, Britain is an advocate of a free country and free speech etc. Have we really got free speech ?
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 16, 2008 10:27:49 GMT -1
Britain hasn't ever had a constitution, I don't necessarily feel there is a need for one now, its just a set of words at the end of the day. As the country hasn't grown with one, I don't think it would mean too much to people if there were one now.. Ultimately, I think you can have an influence on things that affect you and I by voting, locally and nationally. 'Quangos' are the ones who carry out those instructions and there may be an argument like you say that they have too much influence on decision making, but I don't think Britain is a bad example of a liberal democracy. Elected members of the EU however, don't have much influence on its direction, bureaucrats control it. I don't think its the same with the British parliament. I'm not sure on that latter point, but I think that Britain pushes and promotes democratisation around the world (for example making aid conditional on it), maybe too much at the expense of basic living needs; and whilst no political system is perfect, Britain is an advocate of a free country and free speech etc. Have we really got free speech ? Freedom of speech counter-balanced with the rights of individuals to not feel harrassed, live in fear, be bullied etc. Which is a perfectly fair system, on paper - just trust the PC brigade to fuck it up! Put it this way - I'd much rather have our freedom of speech than Iran's, Pakistan's, China's or even the US's!
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Post by jazzy on Jan 19, 2008 0:08:58 GMT -1
Have we really got free speech ? Freedom of speech counter-balanced with the rights of individuals to not feel harrassed, live in fear, be bullied etc. Which is a perfectly fair system, on paper - just trust the PC brigade to fuck it up! Put it this way - I'd much rather have our freedom of speech than Iran's, Pakistan's, China's or even the US's! There are worse places. But as far as I can see , over here... he powers that be are not satisfied with the life of luxury they have, whilst preaching to others to cut back... they have fingers in many pie and when caught out say " I did not know" in various guises.,...and that's ok you say you did not know with a tax return or even a benifit...see how you are let off the hook. not as all .
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Post by Neko Bazu on Jan 19, 2008 9:55:28 GMT -1
Freedom of speech counter-balanced with the rights of individuals to not feel harrassed, live in fear, be bullied etc. Which is a perfectly fair system, on paper - just trust the PC brigade to fuck it up! Put it this way - I'd much rather have our freedom of speech than Iran's, Pakistan's, China's or even the US's! There are worse places. But as far as I can see , over here... he powers that be are not satisfied with the life of luxury they have, whilst preaching to others to cut back... they have fingers in many pie and when caught out say " I did not know" in various guises.,...and that's ok you say you did not know with a tax return or even a benifit...see how you are let off the hook. not as all . Agreed, a large number of our politicians are as corrupt as you could ask - but fortunately that's nothing to do with freedom of speech!
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Post by mortontheblade on Jan 19, 2008 11:25:18 GMT -1
Britain hasn't ever had a constitution, I don't necessarily feel there is a need for one now, its just a set of words at the end of the day. As the country hasn't grown with one, I don't think it would mean too much to people if there were one now.. Ultimately, I think you can have an influence on things that affect you and I by voting, locally and nationally. 'Quangos' are the ones who carry out those instructions and there may be an argument like you say that they have too much influence on decision making, but I don't think Britain is a bad example of a liberal democracy. Elected members of the EU however, don't have much influence on its direction, bureaucrats control it. I don't think its the same with the British parliament. I'm not sure on that latter point, but I think that Britain pushes and promotes democratisation around the world (for example making aid conditional on it), maybe too much at the expense of basic living needs; and whilst no political system is perfect, Britain is an advocate of a free country and free speech etc. true, but we do have an ideology of constitutional statutes - laws that even parliament, which has legislative supremacy, does not overrule..... admittedly this is kinda by choice.
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